Vee Haf Vays of Making You Talk NONSENSE
The denouement of the Higazy/”Egyptian Radio” case. This was one of the first stories I ever blogged back in late 2001, early 2002. Virginia Postrel and the Illuminated Donkey and I used it as an early example of how torture could get crucial information wrong rather than right. Let’s reprint the section the FBI doesn’t want you to see:
Higazy alleges that during the polygraph, Templeton told him that he should cooperate, and explained that if Higazy did not cooperate, the FBI would make his brother “live in scrutiny†and would “make sure that Egyptian security gives [his] family hell.†Templeton later admitted that he knew how the Egyptian security forces operated: “that they had a security service, that their laws are different than ours, that they are probably allowed to do things in that country where they don’t advise people of their rights, they don’t – yeah, probably about torture, sure.â€
Higazy later said, “I knew that I couldn’t prove my innocence, and I knew that my family was in danger.” He explained that “[t]he only thing that went through my head was oh, my God, I am screwed and my family’s in danger. If I say this device is mine, I’m screwed and my family is going to be safe. If I say this device is not mine, I’m screwed and my family’s in danger. And Agent Templeton made it quite clear that cooperate had to mean saying something else other than this device is not mine.â€
More in Higazy’s own words:
The Egyptian government has very little tolerance for anybody who is —they’re suspicious of being a terrorist. To give you an idea, Saddam’s security force—as they later on were called his henchmen—a lot of them learned their methods and techniques in Egypt; torture, rape, some stuff would be even too sick to . . . . My father is 67. My mother is 61. I have a brother who developed arthritis at 19. He still has it today. When the word ‘torture’ comes at least for my brother, I mean, all they have to do is really just press on one of these knuckles. I couldn’t imagine them doing anything to my sister.
And more:
[L]et’s just say a lot of people in Egypt would stay away from a family that they know or they believe or even rumored to have anything to do with terrorists and by the same token, some people who actually could be —might try to get to them and somebody might actually make a connection. I wasn’t going to risk that. I wasn’t going to risk that, so I thought to myself what could I say that he would believe. What could I say that’s convincing? And I said okay.
“Take the gloves off” and the Stupid spores just get on your skin easier. Also the Vicious spores. And the Pathetic ones too.
A reminder: The US government did not want you to read this blog entry.
See also: How Appealing; Drum; Yglesias on a related topic.

Comment by Nell —
October 22, 2007 @ 8:44 am
Maybe you wanted to avoid spoilers, but it seems odd not to note the bit of internet heroism that has preserved the crucial facts of the Higazy case for our edification here in the land of the “free.”
Comment by Nell —
October 22, 2007 @ 8:46 am
Okay, I plead insufficient coffee, having re-read the last line of the post.
Comment by Thomas Nephew —
October 22, 2007 @ 3:08 pm
This country is FUBAR, item #459.
Comment by Donald Johnson —
October 22, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Did Templeton break the law here? I don’t know what the rules are on what you can say, but I would think this would be illegal.
Not, of course, that legality has anything to do with what our government does–I’m just asking in a hypothetical sort of way, supposing we lived in a country governed by laws.
Comment by Justin Slotman —
October 22, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Oh man–Postrel and Donkey in the same post. Plus Instapundit isn’t crazy on this issue. Warbloggin’ like it’s early 2002!
Comment by Jim Henley —
October 22, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
All that’s missing is Justin Sl – doh!