Sympathy for the Devil
UPDATE 12/10/07 12:10am: AS NOTED IN AN UPDATE AT BOTTOM, I MADE A SERIOUS ATTRIBUTION ERROR IN THIS PIECE. I’VE USED STRIKETHROUGH TO MARK THE BAD QUOTE BUT LEAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR THE RECORD. I’M ALSO BOLDING AND STRIKING THE PART IMMEDIATELY AFTER, WHICH I NO LONGER SUPPORT. SEE FOLLOW-UP POST FROM TONIGHT. COMMENTS ON THIS PIECE WILL BE CLOSED. COMMENTS ON THE FOLLOW-UP PIECE ARE OPEN.]
The excerpt from Mark Steyn’s America Alone that ran in Maclean’s last year is far more blatantly racist than I figured it would be when I began reading it. I knew Steyn was a bigot, with a 1920s obsession with demographic decline. (Cf. Tom Buchanan in Gatsby, who can’t stop talking about Rise of the Colored Empires, “by this man Goddard.”) But I imagined Steyn was more adroit in his use of code words and deniability feints. No! “Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes” is merely the most spectacular example of – not code words. I’m not completely shocked that Steyn would write with such frank bigotry, or that Regnery would publish it. I’m somewhat surprised that an establishment organ like Maclean’s would run it.
Nor am I surprised actual existing Muslim Canadians would take offense at the article. The article can’t touch me, an Anglo American, in the same way it can hit the emotions of a Canadian Muslim – it can’t feel as personal to me as it can to them. I remain a free-speech absolutist, though, and completely oppose the idea of using the legal process to squelch articles like Steyn’s.
But Sohail Raza, a representative of the Muslim Canadian Congress, said Maclean’s had the right to publish the article.
“This is Canada, not Sudan, Egypt or Pakistan, where the press is stifled,” he said. “There is absolute freedom of expression and people have an opportunity to voice their opinion.”
Alan Borovoy of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association said the organization is concerned about the human rights complaints process.
It’s too easy to claim an article may subject a group to hate or contempt under commission rules, Borovoy said.
“Even truthful articles describing some of the awful situations in this world could run afoul of this law, it is so broad and such a potential threat to freedom of speech,” he said.
Mark Steyn is a racist douchebag in addition to being a ridiculous figure, which in a way is good, because the case for free speech can’t rest on the idea that speech is harmless or misunderstood or otherwise inconsequential. Speech is dangerous. It does things. If it didn’t, why would we talk at all? There are a lot of reasons not to sanction Steyn or Maclean’s for what he wrote, or even to have a process that presents the possibility. For one, it’s naive to think that the political process, which is all about the deployment of relative power, can sustainably suppress the expression of the strong in favor of the expression of the weak. But my favorite this morning is, I’ll be damned if I’ll give Steyn and his ilk the satisfaction of victimhood.
UPDATE: I see I made an embarrassing mistake in attribution in the original text of this piece. That was my error, careless on my part, and I apologize for it. I stand by the rest of what I wrote.
UPDATE UPDATE: SEE NEW NOTE (12/10/07, MORNING) AT TOP OF PIECE. COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM ARE NOW CLOSED. COMMENTS AT THE FOLLOW-UP PIECE ARE OPEN.
Comment by Jeet Heer —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Good post but Maclean’s not MacLean’s (I had to struggle with the name myself when I posted about a recent piece of war-mongering in their pages).
Comment by Karen —
December 8, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
I completely agree with you, and with the criticism of the Canadian process. I hope that most people respond to Steyn’s idiocy by pointing out the Jupiter-sized holes in his argument. (Actually, calling his racist and fact-free rant an “argument” is excessively charitable.) Making a moron like Steyn into a speech martyr only gives credence to his positions among certain parts of the populace. Also, whether his statement hurt someone’s feelings isn’t the problem with them; it’s that his entire world view can be demonstrated easily to be completely wrong. So the proper tactic is to get on with showing why he’s wrong, not trying to prevent anyone from hearing his dimwittery.
Oh, and since I brought it up, he states that in 2050, Europe will be majority Muslim, which he concludes by pointing out that Muslim immigrants have more kids than native-born European women. He buttresses this position by noting that of the six countries with the highest total fertility rates, three are Muslim and the rest have around 40% Muslim population. (The total fertility rate, TFR, is the number of kids a typical woman has during her lifetime. In the US, that’s the famous 2.5 kids.) There are, at present, about 12 million Muslims in all of Europe. The EU has a population of about 280 million. I’m nobody’s math expert, but I just don’t see 12 overriding 280 in 40 years. If the difference in birth rates is permanent, then in about 120 years he has a point, but there is absolutely no reason to believe that’s going to be the case. Simply look at Spain, Ireland, and Poland, which have total fertility rates around 1.2, even though they are heavily Catholic countries. Ireland and Spain only legalized birth control in the last 30 years.
And isn’t that the racist part of his argument? Europeans changed their behavior but Muslims can’t or won’t. Teh Evul Brown Peeple With Headscarves are one giant, immobile and mindless hoard, incapable of anything like what Nice White People do.
So, assuming with a small asteroid of salt, that this is actually a problem, the solution is to encourage European Muslim women to embrace feminism, especially one compatible with their existing culture. (There are such things, too.) That, however, would make Markie Boy’s head explode.
Comment by Tarek Fatah —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Not to take away from what has been written about the Mark Steyn article, one clarfication is necessary.
The comment comparing Muslim population growth to the breeding of Mosquitoes was not made by Mark Steyn, but a Muslims cleric at a Norwegian mosque.
Tarek
Comment by danindc —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
Steyn has answered your criticism and is making you sound kind of ignorant. You need to respond because it’s getting embarassing.
Comment by Jesse Cole —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Actually, Tarek, when you clarify that it was a Muslim cleric whom Steyn quoted, and not Mark Steyn himself, well, that pretty much takes Mr. Henley’s “mosquitoes out of his sails” regarding the proboscis of his article, so to speak.
Comment by Margaret —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
“Not to take away from what has been written about the Mark Steyn article, one clarfication is necessary.
The comment comparing Muslim population growth to the breeding of Mosquitoes was not made by Mark Steyn, but a Muslims cleric at a Norwegian mosque.”
Tarek
Well, Tarek, that little clarification actually makes quite a difference, doesn’t it? In fact, it DOES “take away from what has already been written about the Mark Steyn article.” Have any of you actually read Steyn’s book, or much of anything he’s written? You may not share his “world view,” but he is certainly no moron, nor is he a racist. He’s merely a conservative. Which, to everyone on this blog, translates to “ridiculous figure” or “douchebag.” So predictable.
Comment by Edcutaor —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Comment by Leonard —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Perhaps y’all might explain the “racism” to me. I see a whole lot of what one might call “religionism”, but very little about race.
Religion is not race. There are Muslims of many races.
Yes there are some big holes in Steyn’s arguments. But surely there is some interest in the idea of societies in voluntary demographic decline? This is, after all, a new thing under the sun, and those are rare in human affairs. What causes it, specifically? How long can it go on? What are the political consequences for the welfare state? Steyn is, at least, grappling with these questions.
Comment by john —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Dummy…
His comment that you refer to as being racist was in quotation marks…
As in, QUOTING someone else…
How about you put your pathetic agenda aside and stupidity down and stop taking things out of context to prove your liberal hack ideals?…
Comment by Jeff —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
“Douchebag, douche thyself.”
Steyn just made you look like a total misrepresenting tool at The Corner–which you clearly are, given your blatant and malicious misreading of Steyn’s work.
Way to go, clown.
Comment by Hank —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
For someone who ominously qualifies his support for freedom of expression by claiming that “speech does things,” you sure wield yours with reckless abandon. I can honestly say you’ve exposed yourself as a complete moron.
Comment by Henry —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
Actually, I think America Alone is a terrific book. Europe is hiding its collective proboscis in the sand, and the next decade will tell us whether or not Mr. Steyn is right. I believe he is.
Sloppy post, Mr. Henley. We’ll look forward to your correction/retraction.
Comment by Tom —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
Here, let me fix that:
Everytime I think I’ve seen the dumbest thing on the tubes, another worthy candidate comes along to claim the crown.
Sweet Jesus are you stupid.
Comment by Ty Shareef —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
As a African-American convert to Islam, a soldier, and as someone who actually can read, I would have to say that anyone who thinks what Steyn has said is either racist or objectionable is a complete douchebag. The Canadian Muslim groups that have complained are essentially terrorist front organizations and Steyn should wear there offense as a badge of honor.
I am sick and tired of white liberals apologizing for the subhuman filth that has degraded my beautiful religion. The Islam that I practice stresses self-discipline and tolerance for one’s neighbors. I have fought the Wahhabi scum in both Afghanistan and Iraq and will be going back to Iraq soon to finish the job. I personally find it pathetic to find that I am fighting in Iraq to give Iraqis a right to free speech, while Canada seeks to chill legitimate political discourse.
Comment by BL@KBIRD —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
As has been pointed out already, this was a quote of a Muslim cleric, not Steyns. So now first you apologize for being an idiot and then shut down this blog.
You should do a little research into Islam before you make an asshole of yourself leftard.
Comment by LTJ —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
Henley,
You made an ass of yourself. Steyn’s left you on the floor looking for your teeth. It was a quote dumbass! Any third grader would have seen that. And a previous poster had an excellent point as well. Islam is not a race you politically correct programmed idiot. You’re hurting, not helping, your cause.
Comment by U. C. Knott —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Well, Mr. Henley, have you read the comments above? When are you going to apologize for misquoting Mark Steyn? The longer you wait, the more stupid and stubborn you appear. Isn’t it time that you ended this farce? At this point, it probably won’t damage your blog standing. But if you refuse to confess to your error, you will lose essentially all your readers. Seems like an easy choice to me.
Comment by Good Lt —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Will Henley amend this post in light of the facts?
They’re called “quotation marks” for a reason. Mark posted a gentle reminder for you at The Corner.
Comment by Quotier —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
You’re not only an idiot, but the kind of idiot who rushes to make himself look like an idiot because it’s more terribly important to look more-sensitive-than-thou.
Comment by James Gatz —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
The mosquito characterization was not Steyn ’s words! He was quoting an Norwegian Imam.
Your attributing those words to Steyn show that you are either ignorant or dishonest. Which is it?
Comment by U. C. Knott —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
See comment #19 please. Well?
Comment by U. C. Knott —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
The longer this comment chain grows without a retraction from you, Mr. Henley, the more foolish you look. Hello? Hello? Anybody home?
Comment by Jeffersonian —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
In my line of work we call this “stepping on your dick.”
Comment by Daniel Ruwe —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
It seems pretty obvious that you are set on misquoting Steyn any way you can. It’s sad that you aren’t better at it.
Comment by Henry —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Damage control suggestion: fall on your sword. Say: “Wow, I blew it! I believe my point is valid, but I completely messed up by accidentally misreading the quotation. I am SO sorry. I’ll retract the post, reframe it, and re-post with a corrected post that supports my point.”
Anything else leaves you looking kind of dorky.
Comment by Bandicoot —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
Okay, Mr. Henley, you’ve seen the comments about your post — your misleading rants on a perfectly reasonable article by Mark Steyn. And you’ve seen those which have pointed out that you neglected to mention that the “expanding like mosquitoes” state ment is a quote and not Steyn’s words.
And you’ve undoubtedly read Steyn’s latest post on the subject at The Corner.
Don’t you think maybe it’s time you offered up at least a partial apology or retraction? C’mon. Be a man.
Comment by Ray —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
What a pathetic display by Jim Henley. Why let the facts get in the way of a good rant……
After you have finished wiping the egg off your face how about providing an apology to MS. I am embarrassed for you.
Comment by Patrick —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
James Gatz wrote:
In the words of the immortal Grandpa Simpson, “A little from column A, and a little from column B!”
Comment by Billy Beck —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
The really sad part is that you don’t have to be an idiot, Henley. Just stop it, and you won’t deserve stuff like this.
Comment by Sailfish —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
It seems to be that the problem here for Mr. Henley is generational. Clearly, had Steyn made the effort to use animated finger-quotes none of this misunderstanding would have occurred.
Comment by drjohn —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
You got served, Mr. Henley.
You deserve it, Mr. Henley.
Comment by ktaitz —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
I think we’re safe to assume you knew this was an “unqualified offering” when you posted it, since that’s the name of the blog. But…really. Aren’t you carrying it a bit far? Perhaps you could change the name of your blog to “Unqualified Horse Manure”, just for clarity.
Comment by 186 —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
You are an ignorant fool, plain and simple.
Comment by Thomas the Wraith —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Round One ended in a spectacular K.O. by Steyn. Henley was carried out on a stretcher, cross-eyed and babbling incoherently. Steyn returned to his Corner, wiping the spittle from his gloves. What a sad display of incompetence. If you’re going to step into the ring with the big boys, you have to prepare better than this.
Comment by Alan —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Hey Jim,
Just wanted to thank you for a great article highlighting the blatant racism demonstrated by the Norwegian imam Mullah Krekar. Like knocking in the eight-ball without calling the shot, sometimes it’s really the result that counts, regardless of intent. Again, good job.
Comment by Hal —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Dude, yeah, it sucks to look that dumb on the internet (read: to the whole world) but these other guys are right. Suck it up right now and publish your apology. Everyone out here already knows you screwed up so issuing an apology will at least make you look like an honorable douche bag. don’t try to be clever, just say I’m sorry.
Comment by dakotadoug —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Before today I’d never heard of Jim Henley. Now, when ever I see the name, I’ll no doubt just start laughing.
Comment by Rob Taylor —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
You know Muslims aren’t a race, right?
Comment by beclowned —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
to step on your dick requires that you have one.
PWNAGE!
Comment by Walt —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:28 pm
And gee, why do you think Steyn quoted it? Because he doesn’t think Muslims are breeding like mosquitos?
Comment by Walt —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
This comment thread is some funny shit. A bunch of people show up, talk trash, and then disappear.
Comment by Old Coot —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Where are you Mr. Henley…hiding under the bed hoping this will just go away? Try to be an adult; deliver an abject apology to Mr. Steyn and your readers. No weasel-words, no spinning, just admit you F’d up big-time. Then go away for awhile, perhaps to take a remedial reading class.
Comment by U. C. Knott —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
#39. Maybe the fact that an Imam said it (while Styen didn’t) indicates that is was more a statement of fact about Islam, of which he was actually rather proud, and not a racist remark. Does anyone here now seriously consider the Imam in question to be a viciously anti-muslime racist? Well?
Comment by Norwegian Imam —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Dude, my lawyers will be contacting you. You failed to ask permission before you quoted me. No citation either.
Now I gotta fatwa yer arse!
Gnashing my teeth,
affectionately,
Norwegian Imam
Comment by jamie —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Steyn quoted it to illustrate the viewpoint of a prominent Muslim leader.
He points out the math of the demographics-and leaves it to theimam to make the demeaning comments.
Comment by Alan —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Walt,
I’m glad you said that. Speaking of disappearing, where’s Jim?
Comment by Patrick —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Is there any chance this clown engineered the whole thing just to inflate his traffic? I can’t imagine anyone reads his vapid maunderings when he isn’t libeling anyone.
Here’s a friendly suggestion, Jim: If you ever do resurface, claim that that’s what happened. You look like an irresponsible sleaze either way, but at least my way you come out looking like a crafty irresponsible sleaze.
Comment by Henry —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Re: #39
More to the point, why do you suppose the imam said it? Do you think he was trying to denigrate Muslims? What’s your point, Walt?
Comment by Jesse Cole —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Gee, Walt, maybe Steyn accurately quoted someone because…that is what one does writing serious books. You’re seriously accusing Steyn of racism by proxy? That’s almost as rich as Henley’s mosquito bite.
Comment by Walt —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Look, Europe is not going to be majority Muslim, Europe’s Muslims are going become more like non-Muslim Europeans with every generation, and the Muslim birthrate will drop to the European norm. This the conclusion of people who’ve actually looked at the issue, i.e. not Mark Steyn. Steyn hates Muslims as a group — this is completely clear from everything he’s written. If it makes you feel better to shout “Muslims aren’t a race”, then go right ahead. If you’re dumb enough to think that Europe is going to be majority Muslim, you have bigger problems. Like the fact that you are being played a fool.
Comment by DFCtomm —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
Karen #2,
You are correct, and no one has crystal ball that shows them the future, so the date of 2050 may be incorrect. I recently read an article stating that the EU wishes to allow 20 million immigrants into the EU over a period of time. Given the trend it will probably be muslims who comprise most of this immigration, so we cannot say what will be in 2050, but he may not be wrong. You need to remember that you don’t have a crystal ball either.
I’m not sure how a religion got to be a race, but I’ll let that slide, and state that it’s not race but culture that is the problem. The west has got to get over this hurdle of stating that they like who they are, and if you wish to live among them then you adopt their ways.
Comment by beclowned —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Breeding like mosque kitoes?
I do not believe that Steyn believes that Muslims are laying eggs in stagnant water. Breeding like rabbits maybe? Breeding like the Irish of days gone by
Perhaps? Breeding like mormons? probably. Breeding like a mac daddy? maybe.
The only thing we can be glad for is that you don’t follow suit
Comment by Ten —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
Henley, given this rather spectacular unforced error, would you say it’s the usual, faulty leftist ideology or the subsequent, slanderous moonbat rhetoric that’s ultimately at fault here?
Regardless of that chicken-and-egg I tend to find it hard to accord a dime’s worth of credibility to the former when the latter is so laughably bogus.
Nicely done, sir.
Comment by jamie —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Walt-
Good job at changing the subject from Steyn-is-racist to Steyn-is-wrong. If you have evidence on the European-Muslims-become-regular-Europeans, or as to why Muslims will not become a majority, then I’d like to see it. Steyn has shown his data-where’s yours?
Comment by william —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Mr. Henley,
How does it feel to be b!t@h slapped by Mr. Steyn?
Comment by DonBoy —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
You know, Jim might be away from the computer. It’s been less than two hours since the first correction was posted to this thread, so maybe banging the table and calling him a coward for not replying RIGHT NOW is pushing it.
Comment by fedkatheconvict —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
My “Spidey sense” tells me Walt is Henley’s “sock puppet.”
Comment by Jack —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
You got “Clowned” in front of the whole Insta-World, son! The climb down will not be pretty.
Comment by Old Coot —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Any chance that #55 is one of Jim’s sockpuppets? Inquiring minds want to know.
Comment by Alan —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Walt, I’m glad there’re guys like you around. But I’m concerned that your wish that “Muslims are going become more like non-Muslim Europeans with every generation” betrays a subtle but dangerous intolerance that simply won’t do within your peer thought group.
Comment by Michael J. Totten —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Dude, post a retraction. You goofed this one. Not a big deal, it happens, but fix it as soon as you can.
Comment by william` —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Walt,
Are we supposed to hang around here all day waiting for a retraction? Do you really think Mr. Henley will apologize?
Not likely.
Comment by Glenn Greenwald —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
I categorically deny that DonBoy, Walt or I are sockpuppets! I am shocked — shocked — to find such an accusation on such an otherwise fine, upstanding blog. Carry on Walt!
Err… I mean Jim.
Comment by U. C. Knott —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
#55. Yeah, I suspect that’s the case. Man is he going to regret it when he sees how much he screwed up. It will be interesting to see how much responsibility he accepts and if he apologizes unconditionally, without feeling compelled to make excuses or to make further unfounded attacks on Mark Steyn. Guess we’ll see soon enough…
Comment by Patrick —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
#63, I’m thinking he’ll go with fake but accurate.
Comment by Joe —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Since just about every angle has been covered in the previous comments, may I add a bit of levity?
Taking a sentence like “the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes,” and reflexively reading it as a derogatory insult to Muslims displays a shocking level of anti-mosquito ideology that just won’t do.
It’s high time we rose above our shameful anti-mosquito pasts.
Comment by JWF —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Dude, Steyn just ate your lunch and slapped you senseless. You’ve been beclowned.
“Douchebag, douche thyself…”
Comment by Arthur —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
It was George Bush’s fault.
Comment by Sympathizing —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
C’mon, don’t be so hard on Jim. It’s not like he meant a word of what he said. If Jim really cared about the topic, he would’ve read the article. Instead, he just had to skim it so that he could…well, make himself feel better about himself, most probably. That didn’t work out, did it?
Comment by Ray —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Unable to distinguish an author’s words from those of another he quotes? Hoist by your own petard!
Next time you want to object to an article, read it carefully first. It might help you avoid looking like a total moron.
Comment by Megan Fauls —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
You, dear boy, are an idiot.
Comment by Joel Rosenberg —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Ouch; that’s gotta hurt. Can you, like, bandage your foot, hop on over to your computer, and apologize, like quick, for bedouchebagging yourself?
Comment by douchebag —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
He’s busy looking for some other quote to use in his non-apology apology.
“My copy of the book, being dusty from neglect, had soil on the page I quoted. I innocently mistook the quote marks for dirt. I reservedly apologize for any douche bags that took idiotically took needless offense. However, I’m right and you are a dolt – check out this other quote I found….”
Comment by Ten —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
Yep, love what it’s done to the place, Karen. All good, that.
Not.
Kindly pack up all that sanctimony for later. Stuff’s precious, you know…
Comment by Mike —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
Karen,
You might want to check your math. A birthrate of 1.2 will decrease the population by approximately 50% each generation. A birthrate of 3.5 will double the population in less than a generation-and-a-half. It does not take long for those two lines to cross; far less than the 120 years you postulate, and (assuming a reasonable amount of Muslim immigration) the 40 years Steyn estimates is quite reasonable.
Comment by Doug —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:10 pm
Uh…fake but accurate…yea…that’s the ticket.
Comment by Lance —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
Henley:
Your arguments are pathetic and contribute to the ignorance in the world.
Retract!
Comment by Thoreau —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
I know nothing about the controversy in question, but whenever 70+ people that I’ve never seen before show up in just a few hours to pile on, I tend to assume that they are wrong and the original post is right.
But this might be an exception. I don’t know. I’m just going off patterns in the blogosphere.
Comment by Ed Bush —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Jim,
After I read Mark Steyn’s response to your multi-culti drivel, I have to wonder: how does it feel to be the loser in a Smackdown?
When you lift your bleeding face off the mat, be a gentleman, if that is possible given who you are, and retract.
Comment by The Stranger —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
Henley was being deliberate in his mischaracterization of the “mosquito’ quote.
It’s the same way the MSM operates; throw something obviously untrue and easily disprovable out to fool the easily fooled, but not retract when the inevitable backlash happens, because this lie will be used as a basis for other lies.
It’s disinformation by incrementalism
Comment by Master Cranky Hucklebubble —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Dear Mr. Henley,
Take heart, Kiddo!
He who fights and runs away will live to fight another day.
(and you can quote me on that!)
Comment by douchebag —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Ten
How could you be such a racist douchebag and print such blatanlty hateful and racist comments? You ridiculous figure..
Opps, I just did a Henley….
Comment by Master Cranky Hucklebubble —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Thoreau,
You are so right: You, indeed, know nothing about the controversy in question.
Comment by jamie —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Thoreau-
not too hard to look up who is in the right on the controversy in question-just click on the link, and control-f ‘mosquito’
Comment by Trolly McGee —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
#76 — Thoreau, I think your instinct is sound as a general matter, but in this instance all the trolls hanging out here in the comments section appear to be correct. It’s pretty easy to verify. Don’t let your instinct prevent you from verifying. Anyway, the mistake is so blatant that I imagine that Jim will post a retraction soon enough, and will live to blog another day.
Comment by Beej —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
It seems Maclean’s has vastly overestimated part of its audience. Heh.
Comment by Henry94 —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
What a well named blog. Unqualified is right. Mark Steyn has cleaned your clock.
Comment by JWF —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Thoreau, were you born stupid or did you have to work at it? The author of this fucked up, plain and simple. Sure, we may have just shown up here, but it doesn’t mean we’re wrong about anything. We just here to laugh at Henley.
Comment by Alan —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Thoreau, Interesting analytical process you’ve got going there. I wouldn’t recommend it to others, but if it keeps you warm, fed and regular, I’d stick with it if I were you.
Comment by Henry —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:28 pm
Well, I think we’ve piled on enough. He made a mistake; my guess is he’ll do the decent thing and admit it.
But this highlights a peculiar characteristic of the left. They’re the ones who use the ugly language and make the personal attacks, but they’re also the ones who get their proboscises bent when they think someone’s being uncivil toward them. Whiff of hypocrisy there.
We see the same thing in radical Islam: “Your cartoons offend us so we want to cut off your heads.” Which behavior is more offensive?
Mr. Henley used offensive and mean-spirited language, language which Mr. Steyn doesn’t use. So he gets dumped on when he makes a mistake.
I taught my children to correct people cautiously. Maybe Mr. Henley has learned that lesson now.
Comment by Alan —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
A common archetype in fiction is the bully or group of bullies that picks on the poor retarded kid. I’m starting to feel like that bully now, and it’s not a good feeling.
Comment by Michael Babbitt —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:30 pm
Why do liberals always have to resort to name calling and slander? Why?
Comment by Thoreau —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
You are so right: You, indeed, know nothing about the controversy in question.
See? I’m batting 1000!
Comment by Doug —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Attention: I have analyzed patterns in the blogospere, calculated the internets, and cross-networked the matrix and determined that #76 is not the real Thoreau. (Mostly because the real one is dead.)
Comment by hmm... —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
When a bunch of people swarm in, and they all think that Jim Henley is a “liberal”…
Comment by Mike G —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Pwned by Mark Steyn! Amazing how far you can get in life without learning what quotation marks mean.
Comment by Jim Henley —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Note to all: I made a major error in attributing the mosquito quote to Steyn. It was sloppy of me, and I’ve posted a correction. The specific quote wasn’t central to my argument, but it was still a mistake, and I apologize for it.
Comment by fustian —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
I can’t believe that this Jim Henly guy is such a racist douchebag. Here’s what he said, on his very own blog: “just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes.”
I’m shocked that this Henly creature would write with such frank bigotry. I was expecting to find it softened by at least a few code words.
Speech is dangerous Mr. Henly. It does things.
Comment by Henry —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:41 pm
Mr. Henley,
Now that you’ve withdrawn the only quotation from Steyn’s work, would you care to put forth another example of the flagrant bigotry, etc., you find so loathsome? Maybe you could quote the piece just once to make your point?
I’ve read America Alone. I still think you’re mistaken in your fundamental assertions. You played the race card and got caught dealing from the bottom of the deck. If you have nothing else in your hand, perhaps you should fold.
Comment by Ecclesiastes —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
You just called Norwegian mullah Krekar a racist douchebag. You are surprised that Macleans, an establishment organ, would publish a column with this mullah’s “frank bigotry” in it.
.
You are a free speech absolutist.
.
Your 15 minutes of fame are now up.
.
Comment by Alvin —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Karen (comment #1) wrote: “the solution is to encourage European Muslim women to embrace feminism”
I believe there is a UN conference scheduled this winter in a balmy, seaside resort to discuss this very pressing issue. I look forward to their recommendations. If anyone can solve this intractable problem of Muslim women’s neglect of feminism, the UN can.
Comment by JWF —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Hey, the idiot realized his mistake!
So is Steyn still a “racist douchebag,” douchebag?
Comment by jamie —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Alright, now that quote is gone, what is the evidence for your claim?
Comment by U. C. Knott —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Mr. Henley, I truly applaud your admission of your error. But I also agree with #97 and #98. If you are not willing to retract your conclusions as well, then should you not provide alternative supporting quotes from Mr. Steyn’s work? Given your confidence in your views, you should have no trouble finding such quotes, I presume.
Comment by fustian —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Excuse me Mr. Henly, but it WAS central to your argument.
Without it, you have no examples on which to base the rest of your argument, which is now simply another lefty ad hominem attack.
And, I’m wondering if you might have some similar invective you might apply to the actual author of the quote. I think it is fairly odious no matter who said it.
But I guess that only conservatives can be taken to task for speech here in Henly-land.
Comment by ECM —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Well of course he is: after all, he uses all of those fancy “code words” to put the fear of God (not Allah, God) into those poor put-upon Muslims way up north.
Hey Jim: mind sharing some of these “code words” with us? Or do they just exist in your fevered dreams?
Comment by fedkatheconvict —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
This Henley person is truly a jackass.
Comment by BJ —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Wow, what a douchebag.
Comment by Mike G —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Not central? It was THE example to demonstrate your thesis. At the very least, don’t you think it’s time to put up and prove your thesis with another example that Steyn actually said? Until you have one, all that’s left is namecalling.
Comment by U. C. Knott —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Folks, let us be fair, please! Mr. Henley, you now have a chance to prove your case while many people are here, watching. Surely, you have many other quotes you can provide to support your conclusions? Please post them immediately!! Don’t let these detractors continue to make you look foolish.
Comment by Henry —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
As I read the first part of Steyn’s response to this post at NRO, I was surprised that he’d use such a phrase, because it isn’t typical of his writing. I was ready to admit that it was a poor choice of words, and unnecessarily insulting. When it became obvious that the error was Henley’s, everything was explained.
However, Henley can’t do what he’s trying to do, simply strike the quotation but leave the rest unchanged. That is, in fact, the “fake but accurate” response. If the quotation was typical of Steyn, that might work, but it isn’t: it’s so atypical in fact that I was startled by it when I thought it was true. So, in this case, Henley really does have to defend his (I believe) now indefensible assertions, or retract his post.
Mr. Henley, you’ve accused Mr. Steyn of racism. Let’s see either a racist Steyn quotation or a humble Henley retraction.
Comment by U. C. Knott —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
Another suggestion. While you are busy doing your research to collect the choice additional quotes needed, how about adding a note to your update, to let your readers know that additinal supporting evidence will be provided shortly? That might help stem some of the bleeding you are doing here…
Comment by Arthur —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
I think Mr. Henley interned with Dan Rather
Comment by Old Coot —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
He’s got nothing. Stupid is as stupid does.
Comment by Christian —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:58 pm
Way to take that out of context. Read the actual passage and you’ll find Steyn was directly quoting a Norweigan imam named Mullah Krekar. Knee jerk reaction, assuming the worst about someone you disagree with. Liberals are how open-minded again?
Comment by Linda —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
You need to put that UPDATE at the top of this post.
Comment by beclowned —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
You wrote:
“The article can’t touch me, an Anglo American, in the same way it can hit the emotions of a Canadian Muslim – it can’t feel as personal to me as it can to them.”
You racist douchebag. I am an anglo canadian Muslim. You assume, like most racists, that Muslims are non white, non anglo saxon. Apologize to me. You racist effwitt.
Comment by Jonathan —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:01 pm
Incredible.
Henley stands by everything in his post except for the relevant part
So Steyn is a racist but it is trivially unnecessary to provide any documentation for this assertion?
Speech does things. In this instance it proves Henley is a fool.
Comment by clancy six —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Steyn consistently points out the obvious, usually using the words of various islamic leaders to do so. They’re proud of their plans, folks, and probably grateful for the enablers who direct their anger at Mark Steyn.
Comment by beclowned —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
“Speech is dangerous. It does things.”
Yes it exposed you as an idiot.
Comment by U. C. Knott —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
With all due respect, Mr. Henley, your disaster control work is not yet done. Please address the fundamental issue. Please provide evidence of Mr. Steyn’s racism, since you still “stand by” your characterization of him as a “racist douchebag.” An honoroble person does not do such name-calling without proper evidence, and your evidence (so far) is not sufficient. So please provide the necessary evidence or issue a more complete retraction. And meanwhile, post a note telling people that additional information will be forthcoming!
Comment by Frank —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Wow Jim looks like you hit a nerve this time. Keep up the good work.
Comment by U. C. Knott —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
#120. I am curious. Please explain how this is “good work,” or of you of the opinion that all notoriety is good notoriety?
Comment by Joseph —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
#2 Karen:
The population of “all of Europe” is not 12 million. You’re about 40 million short.
Comment by fustian —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
For those who haven’t been following, Mr. Henly is attempting to further his argument in a safer place on his blog:
http://highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2007/12/08/7521
It’s not going well for him there, either.
Comment by thx1138 —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Mr. Henley appears to be projecting his own inner racist guilt onto Mark Steyn. Notice he can’t even speak politely and gets angry over illusions. He probably just has a lonely mashoistic need to drive traffic to his blogs in the hopes that y’all wil come back sometime now y’hear.
Comment by washerdreyer —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Yeah, it’s an embarrassing mistake. Personally, I know that when someone makes a typo and doesn’t correct it for slightly less than three hours I can safely conclude that everything else they’ve ever said is wrong, and make up things about them. Right guys?
Comment by Quotier —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Who’da thunk that Jim Henley could be a bigger creep than he was just a few hours ago? Sorry, Douchy McDouche, but striking out a line in your posting only underlines that you never really had a point to begin with. Otherwise, you would’ve found a quote from Steyn that was from…you know, Steyn. You might as well have admitted total defeat, you poor sap.
Comment by Old Coot —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
Methinks #120 is also #95; or maybe it’s the other way around.
Comment by beclowned —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
“I see I made an embarrassing mistake in attribution in the original text of this piece. That was my error, careless on my part, and I apologize for it. I stand by the rest of what I wrote. ”
This wasn’t just careless. This was hate speach. The was willfully ignorant. Blindly stupid. Recklessly immoral. SUPPOSE, that some fanatical jihadist had attacked Steyn based on what YOU WROTE. Careless? Suppose someone makes posts in your name. Suppose those posts contain cartoons of the prophet? Merely careless?
Comment by Arthur —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Good Work = Not knowing what quotation marks are.
Comment by bob —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
steyn never made that quote you attribute to him–it was a Muslim cleric–obvious you are a sloppy reader and maniuplative–and no one should place stock in anything you say. Maybe you should do like Al bundy and sell women’s shoes in a mall.
Comment by Thoreau —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
If Jim is wrong then I don’t want to be right!
Comment by John —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Don’t let your utter lack of reading comprehension skills get in the way of a good screed.
But thanks for bringing to my attention the fact that the European muslim community is planning on breeding their way to cultural dominance. Sounds like the European community needs to drastically curtail muslim immigration.
Can you imagine the great European nations populated by a people who believe that sawing off someone’s head constitutes political action or wants to take a woman and hack her to death with machetes because a group of 7 year olds named a teddy bear Mohammed?
I’ll believe your crock of shit when 9 out of 10 of your neighbors are self-flagellating, bomb-vest wearing Islamic fanatics and you still say it’s all perfectly okay with you.
I’ll say it out loud: They are undesireable. Their religion is medieval. Their cultural desire to convert or murder everyone that is not muslim is despicable.
The fact that they are so gleefully willing to blow thousands of innocent fellow muslims to smithereens with IEDs demonstrates how little they care for their own kind, how do you think they will care for you when you are the minority?
Comment by joated —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Your post makes no sense and becomes irrelevant when the quote is attributed to the proper person: the Imam.
Comment by Thanos —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
Here’s a quote for you:
“Fake but accurate”
– Dan Rather
I do believe he’s still trying to sell that line, you could probably buy it for a pittance.
Comment by Brian —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
Fake but accurate, hey Henley? You &
Don KnottsDan Rather make such a cute couple.Comment by TRO —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
You post is meaningless without the quote you said was Steyn’s. I would just delete the whole post and put up a big “nevermind” in its place. My, don’t you feel silly.
Comment by Joseph —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
Mr. Henley, I read the reason for your “update.” I see you quoted Styne as penning the offensive words when, actually, he was quoting a Muslim Imam. A boy shouldn’t be sent to do a man’s job. Steyn’s response to your name calling sums it up nicely: “Douchebag, douche thyself.”
Comment by Capitalist Infidel —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
I’m confused, Henley claims to stand by his story but the relevant quote was from someone other than Steyn. How can someone stand by something that he has no facts?
Comment by bmcburney —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
“I see I made an embarrassing mistake in attribution in the original text of this piece. That was my error, careless on my part, and I apologize for it. I stand by the rest of what I wrote. â€
So, the only actual evidence of racism (are you sure you meant racism?) in your post is not actually attributable to Steyn but you stand by the rest of what you wrote?
Comment by Terp Mole —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
I’m sorry, but not since Professor Peter Singer explained that we should give as good as we get from dogs who hump our legs, have I been so exasperated with the way so many Leftists think they can use their head for a colonoscopy and then crab-walk across the blogosphere expecting all the world to think their new hats make them look smart.
And, as with Singer’s efforts to get pet stores to carry Viagra, I have a very hard time taking Leftists seriously anymore; because I’m not sure taking them seriously helps anybody. So, let me splash some cold water on my face and shake off the giggles.
Henley, you’re a genuine asshat.
Comment by Henry94 —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Frank
I guess he did hit a nerve. False accusations tend to do that. But is it really good work? Good work is to take on an argument and refute it. There is no sign of that. Of course it’s not easy. It takes talent and intelligence. Mark Steyn is pretty good at it. That is why he has the respect of so many people who are posting here today. He is too widely read for false charges to stick.
Comment by Clueless —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Who’s Jim Henley? He must be somebody really important to rate all these remarks…
Comment by Dan —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Gee, you “stand by the rest of what you wrote” about Steyn supposedly being racist, despite the fact that the ONE example you were able to come up with turned out to have been said by a Muslim.
So you’re “standing by” nothing but unsupported ad hominem attacks. Nice.
Comment by Jay —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
I have not yet seen a solid refutation of Steyn’s thesis, and you are obviously incapable of offering one. Beyond that, I defer to commenter #14, and thank him for his service.
Comment by borehole —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Pretty huge fuck-up on Jim’s part, and he deserves a good whack on the behind with a rolled-up blogpaper for being so sloppy.
That being said, sweet fucking Jesus what a bunch of thugs Steyn readers are. Thank God most of you are lardasses or you’d be coaching Pop Warner Krystalnacht.
I’ll just assume the UO regulars have better things to do on a Saturday than represent–Jim could use a little support here. And really, when you do something as douchebaggy as misattribute a damning quote, you should hear it from a friend, y’know?
Comment by Squatch —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
Riiiiiight. Totally unintentional. Never seen that trick before…
Comment by beatrix —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
What “rest of the piece” is there? Your whole piece rests on the assumption that Steyn is a “racist douchebag” because of the mosquito remark. Once you’ve admitted that he didn’t, actually, make the remark, there’s no basis left for anything else you wrote. So what, exactly, are you standing by?
Comment by judah —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
#119 – THIS!
Comment by Bob Willams —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
Douchebag, know thyself.
Comment by fustian —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
People, Mr. Henly has finally done the honorable thing, but you have to go to the main blog to see it.
Comment by The Stranger —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
Criminy..the quote is the basis for the moron’s screechy diatribe…
…thus he compounds the error
Comment by Thomasina Payne —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
#131
Thoreau, I don’t think you have to worry about the chance occurrence that you might possibly be right. Sleep tight, don’t let the mosquitoes bite.
Comment by Dave —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Karen wrote in the second comment –
”And isn’t that the racist part of his argument? Europeans changed their behavior but Muslims can’t or won’t. Teh Evul Brown Peeple With Headscarves are one giant, immobile and mindless hoard, incapable of anything like what Nice White People do.”
Uh, Karen, what is a mindless hoard? A group of minorities kept in a closet and never shared? I think you mean a mindless HORDE…
Not to mention that, after reading Henley’s post, then removing the relevant parts which hinge on the MINDLESS error he made, there is nothing left for him to stand by. Steyn analyzes trends and numbers. His is the more dispassionate and sensible summary, while you who call him names are the ones seething with hatred.
Sorry, I’m just examining the evidence here.
Comment by Dan —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
sweet fucking Jesus what a bunch of thugs Steyn readers are.
Henley slanders somebody and we criticize him for it… how “thuggish”.
Thank God most of you are lardasses or you’d be coaching Pop Warner Krystalnacht.
Yes, criticizing someone for lying is exactly the same as smashing Jewish synagogues. How clever of you to spot the connection.
Comment by The Stranger —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Put the shovel down, douchebag….and slowly back away
Comment by Chas —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
washerdryer #125
Thats the funniest defense of Henley I have seen! I only hope you meant it as a joke.
Comment by Ed Piman —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:33 pm
Dude, Steyn pwnd you.
Comment by Terp Mole —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
This from the Leftists who only leave their mom’s basement long enough to plan their next Krystalnaght-style street riot (masquerading as “peace” protest).
Hitler was a Leftist. Own it, beeyotch.
Comment by tanstaafl —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Mullah Krekar (Iraqi) is an admirer of Osama bin laden. He is a radical Islamist imam that Norway has been trying to deport back to Iraq.
More than one imam has bragged that Europe will be taken over by dint of sheer procreation.
Mark Steyn may have noted the phenomenon that European mullahs themselves brag about.
You politically correct ranters all over the planet need to grow up and smell the coffee.
Comment by Don Meaker —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
My notion is the current muslim wahabi evangelism is the product of too, too much oil money chasing too too few competent Muslim Imams. So soon as nuclear fusion has its bugs worked out, the Islamic Fascist genie will be back in its bottle and the Wahabi heresy will lie unlamented on the dustbin of history. Rather like the Marxist heresy and the Global Cooling heresy and the Population Bomb heresy.
Comment by Bill Calvin —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
“I stand by the rest of what I wrote.”
Which basically consisted of a load of garbage that confirms you are an undereducated buffoon.
Comment by Ray —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Just when you thought the man could not embarrass himself any further he comes out with that “apology”…..
Comment by Javier Julio Hernandez —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
Jim Henley is a perfect example of how extreme liberalism and mental illness go hand in hand.
Comment by leatherneck —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:36 pm
Mr Henley, you are a lazy uninformed douchebag who has excessive sympathy for the DEVIL.
What a moron. How do you live with yourself?
As much as I despise self absorbed mental midgets such as yourself (and the pain that your rants bring to innocent people and theirs minds) I will go to bed tonight with a smile on my face and happiness in my heart knowing that you have been exposed on other blogs as the dimwit knee jerk rabid HATER that you are.
Thanks for being you, you give credence to those of us who think about facts instead of fantasizing about being a legend in our own minds.
Comment by judah —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
you sir
are an abhorent douche nozzle.
you just keep fighting to cover up the encroachment of a dark ages, misogynistic, oppressive brand of theocratic evil, while painting yourself the protector of the very liberties you hope to sell to our aspiring IslamIST overlords.
good for you.
Comment by gman —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Dude, people are beginning to wonder if you’re the muppet man.
Comment by DaMav —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
Henley thou hast beclowned thyself before the multitudes with thy “mosquito bite”. Enjoy the moment of fame purchased by your incandescent self ownage.
Comment by Greg —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
What race is Islam? Astute readers will note this question is roughly equivalent to asking “What race is Christianity?” or “What race is communism?”
Comment by lummox —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Henley, go get your shinebox.
Comment by Rob, the lawyer —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
You construct an argument around one piece of evidence, and then that piece of evidence is discredited, and you issue an addendum that we should just trust you? You made yourself into a laughingstock.
Comment by Sam —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
#145 borehole – “That being said, sweet fucking Jesus what a bunch of thugs Steyn readers are. Thank God most of you are lardasses or you’d be coaching Pop Warner Krystalnacht.”
The above quote is a good example of the lefty mind. They almost never have a logical counter argument. They are not interested in fact-based dialogue of any kind. Their entire philosophy, if you can dignify it with that term, is based on emotion, specifically, hatred of others. And yet they flatter themselves with the lie that they are the most tolerant people on earth. They never question their beliefs; they never doubt the pure evil of the “non-believers”. It’s all very self-flattering and deeply lazy.
Comment by Ken —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
You are a schmuck and an idiot.
Comment by kobeclan —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
I’m trying to think of the correct phrasing.
By Jove, I’ve got it!
You, sir, are a jackass.
Comment by Vince P - Chicago —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
So typical for the type of person who throws the word “racist” around like he’s exhaling CO2.
Back up your statement.. if you have any intigrity.
Comment by swassociates —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Since your first point was made using an utterly braindead mistake on your part doesn’t that make the balance of your post equally braindead?
What we see here is another “fake but true” Dan Rather moment. These have become incredibly common in the Liberal, mentally ill world.
Comment by kobeclan —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
What is a “douche nozzle”?
Just asking.
Comment by ECM —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
From the looks of things, we have a new Internet meme being born tonight:
Henlied: the act of engaging in spittle-flecked righteous indignation based on a false premise then looking like a douche when said false premise is exposed, i.e. owning oneself.
Comment by Fidel —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
So, just how does it feel to step on your dick while wearing golf spikes?
That little noise of rushing water you hear? Thats your little career going down the shitter. Amazing how even little turds can raise such a stench.
Congrats, now go crawl in a hole and let the adults speak.
Comment by Terp Mole —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
All hail Aidemydni!
Henley, you’ve been owned.
Comment by swassociates —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
One last thing Jim if you have the balls to answer.
Is Steyn racist because the Imam said it or he (Steyn) pointed it out?
Comment by Glenn —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Henley, I’ll put it iin quotation marks to make sure you read it – “YOU ARE A DOUCHE”
Comment by spool32 —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
I think Henley’s central point, i.e. that speech shouldn’t be restricted regardless of how offensive it is, would be better served by turning the focus away from Steyn and toward an examination of why Canadian Muslims might attack a publisher for printing the words of an imam of their own faith. One might expect an attack on the Imam… but that would be reasonable, and the goal is to find an excuse to attack people who highlight the demographic shift, not to attack fellow Muslims who encourage it.
Comment by washerdreyer —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
156: Thanks. You ask if I’m joking, but I’m not sure what part of what I said you’re asking about. I’m seriously defending the quality of this blog, and jokingly suggesting that the procedure followed by many commenters in this thread is a good one.
Comment by Thoreau —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Congrats, now go crawl in a hole and let the adults speak.
I agree, but for some reason the Steyn fans won’t stop posting.
Comment by The Stranger —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
This is funny.
I think she is part of an actual mindless HORDE.
Is Karen related to Henley?
Comment by Pats —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Why “stand by” the rest of the post. Your post is predicated on a huge misunderstanding (yours) and should be tossed out.
My advice: read more carefully next time. And practice some humility.
You have a lot to learn from Mark Steyn and it would behoove you to pay attention to his words.
Comment by Frank P —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
You’ve just been good and seriously schooled by Mr. Steyn and by most of the good posters here. Congratulations on making such a dent in your credibility. Good luck in your efforts to restore it.
Comment by lummox —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Jim, ya can’t polish a turd.
Try a real apology.
Comment by The Stranger —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
Well played, Sir or Madame…well played.
Comment by The Stranger —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
This blog is titled “Unqualified Offerings”.
…well “duh”
Comment by Das Ding an sich —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
I, like many others, had not heard of you before this vile error. This tendency to brand ANY kind of criticism of Islam and/or Muslims as “racism” is so typical of you left-of-center intellectual midgets. I’ll bet the farm that you don’t find the most aggressive criticism of Christianity and/or Christians to be any kind of a problem. . .
Comment by kobeclan —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
“PWND”!!
Comment by Igor Montalban —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
What a colossal takedown. I too have read Steyn’s America Alone. It is a fascinating read, once you get over his use of quotation marks and other such complexities (like demographics). Once I got over the psychological hurdle of learning quotes, demographics was a snap!
Comment by shanks —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
r-tard.
Comment by Layer Seven —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
Wow, Jim; er, mosquito-brain, how embarrassing! Even a mosquito cannot stand on what you write.
This is surely the liberal gaffe of the hour! Congrats, and KEEP ‘EM COMIN’.
ROFLMAO.
Comment by english teacher —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
shorter mark steyn: white people get busy and start fucking and making babies or we will be taken over (eventually) by people who are not like us! “america alone”? the entire premise of the man’s argument is racist, and yes when steyn himself makes no distinction between the religion of islam and those that practice it, it is racism.
Comment by Igor Montalban —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
And while you are trying to find new quotes to fit your theory that Steyn is “racist”, please also explain what race Islam is. I am very curious if I, as a white guy, can become Muslim.
Comment by Sly McDoogle —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
And while you are trying to find new quotes to fit your theory that Steyn is “racist”, please also explain what race Islam is. I am very curious if I, as a white guy, can become Muslim.
Comment by borehole —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Sam, if I had a lefty mind, or even if this were a liberal blog, maybe you’d have a point.
I don’t pride myself on tolerance, and I certainly don’t think you’re “pure evil.” I think you’re a sad little dipshit who works out his frustrations and personal failings through a political lens.
And I do too, but fewer people get Daisycutters dropped on their heads when I do it, so there’s that.
Comment by The Stranger —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
Jim Henley’s post has the following sentence:
“Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes—
Attribution and context be damned. The simple fact that these words are contained in the text of his post is definitive proof that Jim Henley is a racist (although “Muslim” is not technically a racial category.)
Comment by Dominic Yeso —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
“… satisfaction of victim hood”
Typical leftie non-think, however in this case you surely are the victim here right? Demand satisfaction sir for surely you are being offended by most of these posts. Sue somebody now, complain loudly, demand your rights as a victim, fight the conspiracy, surely Rove has something to with this mean spirited reaction to your opinion?
Comment by Kasper Hasuer —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Boy these derogatory comments about your idiocy are breeding like Mosquitos Henley.
r-tard indeed!
Comment by Nunius Barbari —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
You “stand by the rest of what [you] wrote” ?!? Now you look even more foolish. A major part of what you wrote was based on calling Steyn ‘racist’. But your main evidence of that was your error!
Please exhibit some small measure of dignity and just say “Sorry, I didn’t intend to prove myself to be such a nattering nincompoop.”
Comment by princetrumpet —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Since no one has really said it the way it needs to be said, allow me to lower myself for a dalliance with guilty pleasures:
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ahh… the pauses that refreshes.
You deserve every bit of mature and immature blowback you’re getting, you fool. Why? Because you did the unpardonable: you wanted it to be true badly enough to blind yourself to any shred of objectivity you might have actually had. THAT is what has destroyed any credibility you leftists might have had left.
Comment by Mike F —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Mr. Henley,
You lied to prove your point, and now that you removed the lie from your argument, your point is still valid?
You owe Mr. Steyn an apology.
Comment by ira —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
The premise of your blog was that Mark Steyn was a racist because he allegedly analogized Muslims to mosquitos. But Steyn didn’t say it, as you admit. You are being intellectual dishonest, then, when you still insist that Mr. Steyn is a “racist” when you admit the basic premise for your conclusion – analygizing Muslims to mosquitos was false.
Why aren’t you also honest enoough to answer Steyn’s question on his blog:
“What is it precisely about this statement that makes it ‘blatantly racist’? That a Euro-Muslim imam uttered the words? Or that an ‘Anglo American’ was culturally insensitive enough to reveal the mullah’s words to a wider audience?”
You are blind to the fact that Muslim extermists pose a clear and present danger to liberal democracies. Rather than debate that point, you just try to stifle debate by labeling the other side as “racist.” Other than that, you have no answer. You are a phony.
Comment by Iman Douchebag —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
Wow, you just proved once and for all that a “racist” is someone whose argument a leftist cannot beat, and a “douchebag” is one whose facts cannot be contradicted. And where are your own facts or research that contradict Steyn’s “racist” claims, that were supported by quotes from a radical mosque itself? Leftists can fling around childish insults faster than mosquitoes can flap their wings or–er–breed.
Comment by The Stranger —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
You have to turn brown first, Silly.
Comment by kobeclan —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Dude!
Punt!
4th and 88 is hard to pick up!
Comment by KufirKlown —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
Without the projecting the quote from Mullah Krekar about Muslims onto Steyn’s writing, the whole “I knew Steyn was a bigot” thesis has no legs. You can not stand by a thesis that has no proofs. You should withdraw the whole article and replace it with an apology to Steyn if you are intellectually honest.
Comment by STScD —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
Haha, you really must be a seriously arrogant prick to think your feeble mind could take on Steyn.
Glad you got taken down a few pegs.
Haha, that is some serious comedy gold…
Comment by Tom —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
Impressive. Considering the “rest of what you wrote” consists of precisely NOTHING without your baseless “racist” charge.
So do you have, you know, actual PROOF that Steyn is a racist?
Comment by Irene Bernhard —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Many people have documented the Islamist’s intention to conquer Europe and the West through demographics. To claim otherwise just exhibits naivete. My husband published this back in 2006:
Comment by princetrumpet —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Rule of the left #28: When in doubt, label! One size fits all.
Comment by shockcorridor —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Not only are you, Henley, a sniveling intellectual featherweight, but plain and simply a colossal ass. The entire weight of your alleged critical thinking skills couldn’t match one phrase from the wit and observation of Steyn.
Comment by Edo Van Ede —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
How can you “stand by” the rest of your argument when it is based on your own central piece of misbegotten stupidity and knuckleheaded fatuity?
A Moron, art thou, Mr. Henley.
And a de facto duo-crypto-racist for ignoranty “quoting” a (so-despised-by-you-that-you-don’t-even-fact-check-your-own-presumptuous-piffle) “white” guy (Steyn) by attributing the words of a “brown” guy (Krekar) to him.
Words you call “racist”, when, as everyone knows, “Islam” (thus “Muslim”) is not a “race”, and therefore the entire arugment is baseless blather and multiculti pandering.
Islam’s “eternal and undoubtable” (according to the Koran) dogmas are anti-human rights, misogynistic, anti-freedom of conscience/speech/belief, and aim at a global theocratic nightmare state (Caliphate) where the Muslims “rightfully” rule and all other people either join them, serve them (as second-class “dhimmis”), or must be fought to the death for disobeying Allah’s will.
Defending this absolutist and intolerant ideology is a modern intellectual/spiritual illness of those who have no central backbone of self-understanding (as agnostics or atheists) or belief (as theists).
I prefer Jefferson’s view:
“Opposition to all forms of tyranny over the mind of man.” And the mind of woman.
Wisdom.
Not whizz dumb.
Comment by niceblog —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
typical… make a brilliant argument based on fact, remove the fact, and yet mysteriously the conclusion remains the same. Dan would be so proud.
Comment by Drained Brain —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
It appears that it’s Mullah Krekar you’re actually calling a douchebag. Does that make you a cunning “racist” (I didn’t think “Muslim” was a race either) an infidel, or just another pseudo-intellectual potty mouth? Don’t lose your head over this.
Comment by Fabozz —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
Watch this space! Soon there’ll be a follow-up blog post, in which Mr. Henley muses over what he’s learned from this incident.
Expect phrases like “off-hand comment,” “humorous intent,” “innocent mistake” and “overreaction,” maybe even “amen chorus” or “winged monkeys.” Rather than talking about how foolish and ashamed he is, he will instead claim to be “startled, and a little alarmed” by the response. There will be disingenuous self-deprecation, along the lines of “I’m just a lonely blogger, so if my tiny typo provoked this kind of response, just imagine the mail [fill in lefty columnist here] must get!”
Just wait: You’ll see that this incident has revealed nothing about Henley, and instead has exposed the “bigger truth” that the “right-wing hate machine is the real enemy of free speech.”
Comment by Koskid —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
How dare you right wing wackos think the moderate Muslims know what’s best for themselves. We on the left will do your thinking for you and appeasement is the only way to survive longer. I know when the time comes when the Wahhabi Muslims take over, me and my family will have our heads cut off last.
Comment by Rusty Shacleford —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
Ass clown
Comment by Brian Rehder —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
So, you defend a lawsuit that criminalizes offending someone, as you call Mark Steyn a douchebag (which, by the way, is TWO words.)
I’d call you an insulting name, but that would be juvenile, and you might sue me in a Canadian court.
Comment by BL@KBIRD —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
He still stands by the rest of his story?
He has richly earned “Leftard of the Week” honors.
Even his hand will reject his advances on himself now.
Comment by Chas —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
for those who havent noticed it yet
http://highclearing.com/index.php/archives/2007/12/08/7525
looks like its beginning to sink in just a little!
Comment by douchebag —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
to Henly an argument – a new internet verb?
he pulled a Henly – a new internet noun?
Comment by Terp Mole —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
borehole @ 7:04 pm drooled: “Sam, if I had a lefty mind, or even if this were a liberal blog, maybe you’d have a point.”
Borehole wants folks to think his libertarianism doesn’t march lockstep with the Krystalnaght-style street rioters of the peace-fascist Left. Don’t kid yourself, borehole.
Henley dropped his rhetorical daisycutters on his own head– now stop whining.
Comment by suz —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
I’m sorry but I will have to go on the evidence presented here. Mr. Henley apparently doesn’t understand the function of quotation marks, so I will have to assume he doesn’t understand the meaning of the word racism.
Unless he is trying to saying that the imam is racist?
Frankly I don’t think he knows what he is trying to say.
Comment by micheal moore —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
hey i heard there is some kinda problem with my patented”creative editing” process in your article?
Comment by MrC_5150 —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Henley the Pwned dumb ass.
BWWWHAHAHAHAHA!
Comment by Michael Sheehan —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Mr. Henley got the facts wrong … but he stands by his rather, in my considered opinion, juvenile narrative.
Is this a joke or am I missing some sort of universal truth with which Mr. Henley is attempting to enlighten me, a member of the great unwashed masses?
What a dickwad!
Comment by dualdiagnosis —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Perfect example of beclowning oneself.
Wrong attribution and equating race with religion. The sad thing is, this is so expected that it doesn’t even come as insulting or a surprise, it’s just boringly typical.
Comment by Tom —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
The guy finds ONE commenter that tries to support him and he makes a brand new thread about it in order to “support” his racism charge.
The he hides behind it.
Pathetic.
Comment by daniel aronstein —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
bwahahahahahaha!
u r pwned!
u r a douchebag!
in denial about global jihad.
they’re not islamo-fascists because we think they are; they are because they say they are and they act accordingly.
WAKE UP!
Comment by vza —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
Comment by douchebag —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
“to Henly an argument – a new internet verb?
he pulled a Henly – a new internet noun”
I love it! Should be quite useful.
Comment by MrC_5150 —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Update:
I see that I’ve made no embarrassing mistakes in my first attempt at posting a comment here. That said, I stand by everything I wrote.
Comment by borehole —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
Terp, the page you linked to does, indeed, prove the existence of idiotic assholes who don’t vote Republican.
Had I ever doubted that for a second, you’d have schooled me but good.
And “whining” isn’t the same as “registering contempt,” so you’re a little off-base there, unless you’ve been listening in to my calls to tech support. You’d whine too if you were running Vista on a Compaq.
Comment by Professor Kingsfield —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
Young man here is a dime. Call your mother. Tell her there is very little chance of you having a career.
/parody
Comment by Bob Willams —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
Your little resume says you wrote for TNR. Is there something Franklin Foer ought to have a look at?
Comment by nottom —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:03 pm
Kneejerk reaction there, huh?
Check your sources before you jump the gun, chief. Having bought Steyn’s book, I find it rather compelling a read. Perhaps you should read the WHOLE BOOK as well before passing judgement. Its clear that your judgement was pre-determined anyway.
Comment by jim fish —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
“Expanding like mosquitoes” In my mind most of you are missing the main piont. So what if Steyn had uttered that phrase? Are we to a point where our fellings are that hurt from the wor d ‘mosquitoes’? Libs, get a life. Here`s a suggestion for the author. If you don`t like the phrase “expanding like mosquitoes” whoever said it, why don`t you instead offer up facts that refute that point. Tell us why they`re not expanding like mosquitoes. But you can`t so you won`t. See, if you can prove Steyn wrong with facts then the whole misquitoe thing fades away. Reminds me exactly of the Durham hockey players case. The libs wanted it to be true so bad that they invented evidence that wasn1t there. Same here.
Comment by Noam Sayin' —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
I’ve never heard of you until today. No doubt, this gaff has improved your hit-count, at the expense of your credibility. Hard-core lefties will remain at your side however misguided and ill-informed this post is. But for the sake of truth, you must fully recant your accusations of bigotry and appeal to Steyn’s greater humility and save any self-respect you may have. To do anything else only reveals a mean-spirited nature. And that’s really what’s at the heart of it all, isn’t it?
Comment by mike —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
How on earth can you still stand by what you wrote in light of these events. If you think Steyn is a racist then lets see some proof.
I see that you have only just learned about the function of quotation marks, so I dont want to overburden you, but there is really something you must know. Ready? Islam is a religion, it is not a race. I hope you are near your feinting couch. Douchebag indeed.
Comment by Sam —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
#145 borehole – “That being said, sweet fucking Jesus what a bunch of thugs Steyn readers are. Thank God most of you are lardasses or you’d be coaching Pop Warner Krystalnacht.â€
#201 borehole – “I think you’re a sad little dipshit who works out his frustrations and personal failings through a political lens.”
Your second post engages in what is known as “projection” in an attempt to bring me and others down to your subterranean level. Well done, you prove my point. I would simply refer readers to my post #173. You and your ilk are long on sputtering ad hominem and short on reason, content and constructive thought of any kind.
Comment by Amy —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Mark Steyn responds to you:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmY1YjBlNGE0OWRiODcxZjU0NGQ1NjU5ODhmYmU2NDE=
Apparently you don’t understand the use of quotation marks and proper attribution of quotes. You are the fool.
Any chance you’ll apologize publically? Probably not.
Comment by Tom Glennon —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
American humorist and philospher Mark Twain (Samuel Clemmons) once gave a piece of advice that Mr. Henley should have availed himself of. Mr. Twain said “It is better to remain silent, and be thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt.”
Comment by root —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
“Bigot” Wow…. sniff…. um, well what else do you have to throw at those who disagree with you?
Bigot, Racist and Xenophobe are rather old and tired, don’t you think? For the left, it sucks to have to actually resort to facts.
Comment by Lori —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Bloggers all over the world are laughing their heads off at your superficial writing Mr. Henley.
Obviously your “opinion” was pre-scripted, had little to do with the book, or reality, and it’s time for you to go crawl back under the intellectually bankrupt rock from where your crept out.
Pathetic. Every day, and in every way, the left is revealing its vacuous thinking, willingness to abolish any speech or thinking that does not agree with theirs, and their lack of touch with the reality of real people are thinking.
Tarek Fatah – love ya.
Comment by nottom —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Reply to Karen (#2)
1.Have you figured out the meaning of race yet?
2.Could other factors (emigration, immigration) not play into those numbers?
Comment by mondonico —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
“Douchebag”? Not only are you a semi-literate PC twit, Mr. Henley, you are evidently a sophomoric sexist pig as well.
Comment by JDN —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Thanks to you Mr. Henley, and your gaffe, more people now have a clearer understanding of the issues of our age and of those wishing to influence it, from Mark Steyn to the likes of Mullah Krekar, as well as yourself, although I’m sure not in a way that you had intended. I’ll bet Mr. Steyn is secretly thanking you, too, for the extra publicity for his book. Well done!
Comment by mountb —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
Steyn FTW!
Comment by roger rainey —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
You stand by the rest of what you wrote? All that is left is despicable ad hominem. Your one slender attempt to actually prove your point shattered beneath you. You can’t retract your one piece of fact and stand by your argument, you silly twit. Go back to the book and prove to us he’s a racist, if you want to maintain your point.
Comment by Anon —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
“an embarrassing gaffe, but I stand by the rest of what I wrote”.
So the underlying factual basis of your piece is completely wrong, but you stand by it anyway. Double plus good example of double-think! Taste the truthiness!
Comment by margrave —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
————–
UPDATE: I see I made an embarrassing mistake in attribution in the original text of this piece. That was my error, careless on my part, and I apologize for it. I stand by the rest of what I wrote.
————–
LOL. So yea, “i stand by the rest of what I wrote”, except for the fact that the main bit of evidence supporting my position was incorrect. Great job!
You sir, are a joke.
Comment by Jack —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
Sir-
Remove your original post. You called Mr. Steyn a racist (the most inflammatory accusation possible in 21st century America) based on a comment that was not his (and was in fact from a member of the group you claim was disparaged). You then learn of your error and claim, “I stand by the rest of what I wrote”. On what basis is he a racist? As many of the other comments point out, Islam is not a race.
Comment by Defender of the Douche Bag —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
Racist is as racist quotes [Mark Steyn]
Jim Henley has his say on my present legal woes:
The excerpt from Mark Steyn’s America Alone that ran in Maclean’s last year is far more blatantly racist than I figured it would be when I began reading it. I knew Steyn was a bigot, with a 1920s obsession with demographic decline. (Cf. Tom Buchanan in Gatsby, who can’t stop talking about Rise of the Colored Empires, “by this man Goddard.â€) But I imagined Steyn was more adroit in his use of code words and deniability feints. No! “Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes†is merely the most spectacular example of – not code words. I’m not completely shocked that Steyn would write with such frank bigotry, or that Regnery would publish it. I’m somewhat surprised that an establishment organ like Maclean’s would run it.
Nor am I surprised actual existing Muslim Canadians would take offense at the article. The article can’t touch me, an Anglo American, in the same way it can hit the emotions of a Canadian Muslim – it can’t feel as personal to me as it can to them… Mark Steyn is a racist douchebag in addition to being a ridiculous figure…
Etc. The words that so offend him are, indeed “frank bigotry”. However, if you read my racist diatribe, you’ll see the bigotry is not mine but Mullah Krekar’s:
“We’re the ones who will change you,” the Norwegian imam Mullah Krekar told the Oslo newspaper Dagbladet in 2006. “Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children.” As he summed it up: “Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours.”
Hello, Mr Henley? Anybody home in there? Those are quotation marks, because they’re someone else’s words – not the blatant racism of the racist douchebag Steyn but of a prominent Scandinavian imam. It’s tempting to say to Jim Henley, “Douchebag, douche thyself”, and leave it at that. However, in an attempt to divine his thinking on the subject, I’d like to ask him this:
What is it precisely about this statement that makes it “blatantly racist”? That a Euro-Muslim imam uttered the words? Or that an “Anglo American” (if I can be said to count as such) was culturally insensitive enough to reveal the mullah’s words to a wider audience? Is the problem Krekar’s “frank bigotry”, or “Anglo Americans” boorish enough to let the cat out the bag?
Or, if that’s too much for him, perhaps he could at least issue a clarification.
Comment by jum1801 —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:43 pm
So, even though the basis of your diatribe against Steyn as a “racist douchebag” is demonstrated to be an error brought on by your reckless downhill rush to put the gotcha on him (some things are just too good to check, eh?), you “stand by the rest” of your spew. Well, perhaps your vitriol will be enough to keep you warm when you live under sharia. But then maybe the prospect doesn’t concern you at all.
Comment by Luc —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
Oh yeah, willfully ignorant is what I’d say this is turning into, right JH?
Isn’t leadership by example?
That’s why I make an effort to read above my usual level of understanding, I highly recommend it, starting with Mr. Steyn)
Sam at #245. Well said.
Comment by AJ —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
How can you stand by what you wrote when the only supporting evidence that you provided actually proves the opposite of the point you were trying to make? If the quote in question was only the “most spectacular” example of Steyn’s alleged bigotry it seems that you’re choices, assuming you are ethical (at this point you’d have to admit it’s kinda of a big leap to take right now), is to provide real evidence or issue a real apology. A real apology is not the snarky “update” you have presented. A real apology occupies the top of the post and it explains exactly how and why you are wrong and it contains a meaningful appeal to Mr. Steyn asking him forgive and forget. That is the honorable thing to do. As it stands now calling you dishonorable would leave people with a much more positive interpretation than the word deserves.
Comment by Rob —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
Yet another liberal beclowning. Yawn.
Comment by borehole —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
Sam, say what you will about me, but leave my ilk out of this.
Seriously, dude, using that word unironically? What’s next, “ergo?”
But go ahead and keep holding me up as evidence of your theories about a group of people I don’t have much in common with, if that’s your bag. Frankly, your characterization of me is a fair one, although I don’t think it counts as “ad hominem” if you really ARE a dick.
Comment by Kevin —
December 8, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
So this post was inaccurate, yet true?
Where have I heard that before?
Comment by Buck Smith —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
Ty Shareef,
Thank you for service, Sir!
Comment by James of England —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
Karen, do you have a cite for the 2050 date? I’ve seen 2100 implied, but do not recall seeing 2050 in Steyn’s writings.
Comment by URADouche —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
“I stand by the rest of what I wrote.”
You idiot. That’s like saying I was wrong in stating that 2 + 2 = 5, but I stand by 5.
Riddle me this, moron: If you stand by the rest of what you wrote, then I assume you believe that the Muslim Cleric who uttered the remark you attributed to Steyn is a bigot.
Comment by Otter —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
You are a JACKASS.
Comment by Mike Steed —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
Henley is a walking oxymoron.
Comment by Lingster —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
Yes, it is a very embarrassing mistake. You should have just used the strikeout on the whole article and then written “Whoops. Never mind!” at the bottom.
Comment by Luc —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Sam, consider the source, a regular of, ahem, this site who can only refer to others as ‘dude’ … can only assume, just a tad bitter, no?
Comment by RH Potfry —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
I did not imagine it was possible to take such an excruciatingly massive blunder and make it worse, but you did with your retraction, which more resembles a sugared-up five year old throwing themselves on the floor in defiance than it does an act of contrition.
I had never heard of you before today. Now I understand why.
Comment by Jimmy the Dhimmi —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
LOSER!!! You got pwned.
Should we expect an apology? of course not, Douchebags can’t apologize!!
Comment by narciso —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
Way to go there, Jim. Actually Mark does account for the fact, that demographically
the numbers for Moslem births will decline in Europe after 2050; but in the mean time one has to deal with the consequences. If ion Europe that means blind ignorance to any concern for direct action by followers of the Saudi dissident UBL as the Reuters chain once put it;like the BBC feature which included two of the tube bombers complaining about the scrutiny they were receiving from authorities.
, the overwhelming number of Salafi, Deobandi, & Wahhabi mosques in Greater London and all through out Europe. The pernicious affects of Al Jazeera, Al Arabiya & Hezbollah’s AL Manar. The libel actions against Ehrenfeld, Dasque,
Burr, et al and any number of figures who mention the Golden Chain network of Saudi charities funded by the Rajhi, Bin Mahfouz & Al Amoudi clans, The presence of similarly denominated chaplaincies,Arab language translation schools (like one in Egypt where Gitmo interrogator Erik Saar did his finishing up)academic programs like those at GeorgeTown,Harvard, Walt’s MIT and Mearshiemer’s U. Chicago influenced by Wahhabi crosscurrents. That maybe why the leading scholar of Wahhabi schism in the KSA, Scott Doran, ended up on the NSC; instead of a full professorship at Princeton. (Is the Wahhabi Lobby; their next follow up; I tend to doubt itgive it to Steve Emerson).Did I mention CAIR, MPAC, MSA and their affiliated counter
parts like the MCB which ignore every atrocity and counsel patience. Not only patience, but a downplaying of the Holocaust, amids admonitions that Britain is becoming the 3rd Reich. Is that any wonder; that a sizable percentage of European Moslems understand the 7/7 bombers, and would be willing to become Martyrs under certain circumstances. That there are at least 1500 plots, emcompassing tens of thousands of potential jihadists. Mullah Krekar, isn’t just any Moslem Imam; he was the founder of Ansar al Sunnah; the group that Zarquawi merged with his Tawheed in 2002 and took over the leadership.
When you’re finished with him, you can go after Daniel Silva, the former ABC
reporter turned Best selling spy novelist. He used to believe that terrorism was all Israel’s fault (and by extension America) but in his last two novels ; the Messenger, about Wahhabist
terror plots even against the Vatican
(for which he provides the source
materials from sermons in Mecca)He does
reference the Occupied territories and Gitmo, but that’s obligatory. It is in development, lets see if they can get through as well as the Kingdom. His latest, the Secret Servant, tackles Egyptian based terrorism in England, France and other parts. He cites Iraq
and renditions to Egypt as the supposed motivator; but that’s just a cop out.
Comment by Chad Kroeger from Nickleback —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
I wish you could post pictures in the comment section so that I could post a picture of Nelson from the Simpsons giving his trademark “Ha-Ha”
Comment by DM —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
(emphasis mine) Note the use of blockquote AND quotation marks above, to show that these are YOUR words, not mine.
So.. let me get this straight. Your evidence was false, your have provided no other evidence to back up your claim… but you stand by your claim.
How f***ing predictable. Just admit that you’re WRONG and let go.
Comment by Johnny 100 Pesos —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:36 pm
Here is the correct way to apologize to Mark Steyn:
“The Ottawa Citizen and Southam News wish to apologize for our apology to Mark Steyn, published Oct. 22. In correcting the incorrect statements about Mr. Steyn published Oct. 15, we incorrectly published the incorrect correction. We accept and regret that our original regrets were unacceptable and we apologize to Mr. Steyn for any distress caused by our previous apology.”
Comment by tokyobk —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
Western liberals are addicted to the sense of noblesse oblige that they bestow on supposedly powerless poor immigrant vivtims.
To bad back on planet earth many of those immigrants are neither powerless not particularly liberal.
Islam is a competing vision of reality which is both supremicist and universalist. It shoudl be respected as such with all the implications for protecting the rights of women, gays and free thinkers.
Comment by Pete —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:40 pm
An indirect “thank you” to Jim for an entertaining read.
Doesn’t Jim’s responses so far seem like the guy rearranging chairs on the Titanic?
Comment by Henry —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:45 pm
All,
We harm our own position when we degrade ourselves with coarse and insulting postings. The point’s was scored hours ago. We can stop piling on now.
Mr. Henley isn’t stupid, just careless. He may be wrong on a lot of things–probably is–but we won’t persuade him by telling him, ad nauseam, what a fool he is, or by calling him names. Better to treat him fairly and hope he comes around to seeing the light.
The right-blogosphere is generally more mature and gracious than the left-blogosphere. We started off well here, but things have gotten pretty ugly. Let’s be the good guys.
Over and out.
Comment by Bill —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
I’m having a little trouble following your “logic” here. You attribute a phrase to Steyn, then call him a racist based upon that phrase. Then you admit that the phrase was said by someone else but do not retract the accusations and insults that were your response to the phrase. So did you call him a racist because he used a certain phrase or did you call him a racist because of something else. If something else, then the phrase is irrelevant.
But to continue; if the phrase is racist, are you calling the iman who actually said it racist? Or are you resisting calling him a racist for the same reason a London transvestite artist Steyn quotes admitted he won’t criticize Islam: “I don’t want my throat cut.â€
Finally, are you willing to admit you’re filled with hate and are willing to seek psychiatric help for your affliction.
Comment by Ross —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
HEnley dude,
WHo is a better guitar player, Bernie Leadon or Joe Walsh?
Comment by Ed —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
Mr. Henley, to use Stephen Toulmin’s argumentation model terminology, there are now no grounds (and therefore no warrant or backing) for your claim. Your argument is shredded and should be retracted entirely, unless you can produce a whopper of a racist comment (highly doubt that you can) to back up your flagrantly inflammatory smear against Mark Steyn.
Game, set, and match!
Comment by Fidel —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
Congratulations, cretin!
Not only have you stepped on your own dick with golf spikes (the pointy metal ones) you’ve invited everyone on the course to follow.
C’mon….you’re really here for the abuse, aren’t you?
Comment by E. O'Neal —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
Douchebag, take away the mis-attributed quote and you have exactly nothing except Tom Buchanan.
Comment by Fidel —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
Henry: He was careless until he tried to manage the spin. Now he’s stupid^2.
I bet he’ll go to stupid^4 (at the minimum) before this is over. The truly shit-for-brains stupid can’t help themselves.
Comment by Michael Babbitt —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
Bill, 280, the Leftist world lives on the thought, not accurate, but true. (See Dan Rather). Social cohesion on the Left is built upon hatred, denial, distortion, and slander. Jim is not so much as needing psychiatric help as needing to reexamine his attachment to a social group that is malignant with delusion. One can disagree with someone on a point of argument, but when that person start calling his opponent in argument juvenile names, that person has to start questioning their value system if they have not sacrifices all of their integrity to groupthink. We all want to believe that we are not subject to groupthink and that is one of humanity’s most profound weaknesses. Here it is shown in its most blatent and ugly form.
Comment by english teacher —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
geez, if all of you steyn supporters would shut up and reproduce we wouldn’t have anything to worry about would we????
Comment by sean —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
Henley
You gave “Steyn and his ilk” the satisfaction of your stupidity. Did I get those quotes right?
Comment by James —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:59 pm
Mister Henley: The fact that you think race is part of this makes it clear that your thoughts simply do not matter. Get a little brighter. Read a little more. Hang out with fewer liberal dumbasses. In the meantime understand this: there are pimples on my ass with more intellectual gravity than you. I don’t even have respect for you to laugh at you. I just know you are the kind of person that I have no moral requirement to tolerate.
Comment by Rubin —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
Damn I quit reading the comments after 200… now they’re up to 286 and climbing.. LOL!
Jim give it up.. it won’t kill ya. And you’ll grow from the expeirence.
fyi: I’m a long time Mark Steyn Fan.. he’s a true National Treasure! God bless him!
~:)
.
Comment by Mosquito Douchebag —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
After reading every post here I cannot help but come to the conclusion that everyone here is being too easy on Mr. Henley.
Jokes about “don’t you know what quotes mean?” ignore the obvious fact that Mr. Henley was never interested in the truth, only in adding to Mr. Steyn’s legal issues in any way he could.
This brings up a larger issue: why does the Left instinctively support the Islamists who would tear down the West? The Left have longed for the death of the West for decades (hey hey, ho ho, Western Civ has got to go!), but since the Wall came down they haven’t had an external enemy to work with. The Islamists have filled the shoes of the Stalinists nicely and the Left can now resume its role of tearing away at the West from the inside while sipping their latte, while the outside enemy does the dirty work. Henley is scum.
-MD
Comment by Imam Nodouchet —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
Heh. The only thing funnier than Henley’s nitwit commentary on his intellectual superior, Steyn, is the commentary on Henley by his 292 other intellectual superiors here.
Douchebag, douche thyself, indeed. Liberals…
Comment by Jim C. —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
That stricken quote was the only evidence you supplied for your accusations of “blatantly racist” and “frank bigotry”. Without the quote, you have provided no evidence of those accusations, which leaves nothing for you to stand by.
Before, you committed an elementary and appalling mistake, but only a mistake. Now, however, the very best we can say about this is that it’s positively dishonest.
Comment by E. O'Neal —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
This blog is like a parody of what conservatives routinely experience in arguments with liberals. The liberal makes an outlandish conclusion based on a demonstrably false premise. The conservative proves to the liberal that the premise is not true, but the liberal holds to the conclusion anyway. This is the well-known Fake but Accurate syndrome, aka the Bush Lied syndrome.
Comment by Ronnie25 —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
Karen #2;
“So, assuming with a small asteroid of salt, that this is actually a problem, the solution is to encourage European Muslim women to embrace feminism, especially one compatible with their existing culture.”
So how’s that feminism thing working out for Ayann Hirsi Ali?
Comment by kobeclan —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:21 pm
How ’bout we all meet at my house for hot toddies and X-mas carols?
Comment by Toliver —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
Huh?
What you wrote before and after the misquote was built on the misquote. I’m being kind with the word misquote.
You are an idiot and/or a douchebag.
Comment by Rob —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
You dope. Like all dopes like you, you write first, then try to back it up with “facts”. Why bother?
“You stand by everything else you wrote”? What good is that, when your moronic ideologically-driven mistake invalidates it all! Moron.
Comment by KufirKlown —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
By the way what race is Islam?
20% of Muslims are Arab and the other 80% are a number of races. So which race is Mr. Steyn (or Mullah Krekar) racist against?
Comment by Gagdad Bob —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Ridiculous. Mosquitoes are the opposite of Muslims, being that their males are harmless while the females want your blood.
Comment by a —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Good Job Douchebag
Comment by Dick_Hertz —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
#
Comment by Arthur —
December 8, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Did you see his knee-pads??!!!
Comment by Karridine —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
I see Steyn’s assertions as rational (Muslims are multiplying much more rapidly than Europeans, and THEREFORE will outnumber Europeans in a decade or two) but ignorant of the coming of Baha’u'llah, the Glory of God foretold in Muslim scripture as The Mahdi.
Every day brings Muslims ever closer to an awareness -feared and actively obstructed by Muslim clergy- of His Being and His Coming from 1853 to 1892.
Because of the historical reality of His existence, the great majority of Muslims could, in the space of only a few weeks, convert publicly, en masse, to the standards and ideals proclaimed by the Lord of Hosts.
Such an outcome has NOT been ‘grappled with’ by Steyn.
Comment by PoorOldJim —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:50 pm
Im new to this blog and have never heard of Jim Henley. But I do now know that poor old Jim is breathtakingly stupid. Im not sure how useful knowing that bit of information is though. : )
Comment by Dick_Hertz —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:57 pm
Comment by Thoreau —
December 8, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Congrats, now go crawl in a hole and let the adults speak.
Permit me to translate your comment into English: “I know you are, but what am I?”
And this was your most perceptive comment!
Comment by Joel —
December 8, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
I can’t wait for the next edition of “Mark Steyn is a racist: check out this fake evidence.”
You know you’re a joke of a writer when even The New Republic’s fact checkers would have caught your mistake (I’m going to be generous and assume you didn’t intentionally libel Steyn).
Comment by Terry Gain —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
Comment by Ty Shareef —
December 8, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
As a African-American convert to Islam, a soldier, and as someone who actually can read, I would have to say that anyone who thinks what Steyn has said is either racist or objectionable is a complete douchebag. The Canadian Muslim groups that have complained are essentially terrorist front organizations and Steyn should wear there offense as a badge of honor.
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Thank you Ty, for your service- and your intelligent comment. We need more people like you and Mark Steyn, the world’s most brilliant and prolific columnist.
And we need fewer Jim Henleys, although who would notice one less leftist mediocrity?
Comment by Dick_Hertz —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
Comment by english teacher —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
shorter mark steyn: white people get busy and start fucking and making babies or we will be taken over (eventually) by people who are not like us! “america alone� the entire premise of the man’s argument is racist, and yes when steyn himself makes no distinction between the religion of islam and those that practice it, it is racism.
It is obvious that you are not a Logic teacher.
Comment by Darrell —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:02 pm
Seems kind of like piling on, at this point, but what the hell.
Henley, when you go after a guy of Mark Steyn’s calibre, you better really have something. You’d be out of your league even if you had something, which you obviously don’t.
You might consider getting work in the service industry that doesn’t require you to have any kind of particular skills or knowledge. Much less embarrassing for you.
Comment by jummy —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
what’s most galling is that of the part he still stands by is this turd…
…in which, you see, he and the litigants are yet the underdog.
long after the last ungood book is burned when the last face-criminal’s face is crushed under the block council agent’s boot, the progressive ass that boot is attatched to will be whinging about his “powerlessness†without any intention of irony.
Comment by Delacon —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
In reply to #198 comment by english teacher:
“shorter mark steyn: white people get busy and start fucking and making babies or we will be taken over (eventually) by people who are not like us! “america aloneâ€? the entire premise of the man’s argument is racist, and yes when steyn himself makes no distinction between the religion of islam and those that practice it, it is racism.”
Wow, you are liberal in your wrongness and wrong in your liberalness. Lets break this down:
“white people get busy and start fucking and making babies or we will be taken over (eventually) by people who are not like us! “america aloneâ€?”
No. All countries get busy and control immigration to a point where immigrants do not pose a disruptive effect on the existing culture and its institutions. Every country likes the stabilizing effects of its culture and institutions especially us cons. Its not about race. Its about culture and keeping the best aspects of institutions that have melded into a culture over time. As far as “not like us”, find me a country that is more culturally heterogeneous yet is also more nationally homogenous. It succeeds in this because of the liberalism written into our constitution. Real liberalism that merits the rights of the indivigual over the rights of the group.
“the entire premise of the man’s argument is racist, and yes when steyn himself makes no distinction between the religion of islam and those that practice it, it is racism.”
That is the very definition of a race blind world view. He MAKES NO DISTINCTION between the religion of islam and those that practice it. Steyn knows that muslims in Europe come from many races and doesn’t much care. I’ve read a lot of Steyn and he clearly doesn’t like that muslims may disrupt the Europe that is the cradle of US culture, but not because of the color of their skin. He thinks that the numbers of muslims already there aren’t set up to assimulate in any beneficial way to the existing culture. He is right.
Comment by jummy —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:11 pm
there’s also something a little creepy about actually congratulating yourself for not supporting state censorship of political speech.
i mean, jesus.
Comment by Hankmeister —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:13 pm
I won’t call Henley douchebag, but he is a moron. Indeed, what “race” is Muslim … or Islam? As far as I’m concerned, Islamic fundamentalism is little different than Nazism. I don’t remember anyone being accused of being a racist for “hating” Nazis … or even being a “bigot” for that matter.
For Mr. Henley to embarass himself in the manner he did in taking Steyn’s quote of a quote totally out of context demonstrates to me what an accomplishment that is even for an anti-Bush deranged moonbat.
Over the last six years radical leftists, and to a slightly smaller degree, liberals, have raised cognitive dissonance to an artform. Remember how those suffering from anti-Bush Derangement Syndrome began circulating this Thomas Jefferson “quote” several years ago: “Dissent is the highest form of patriotism”? Problem was Mr. Jefferson never said any such thing … nor did any other American founder for that matter. Snopes.com pretty much put a bullet in that one.
It turns out that the “quote” may have had its basis in a comment of some WWII anti-war protestor. But liberals who bought into this self-justifying lie typically admit their sourcing may be wrong but the quote is still true. But the real truth is, for “dissent” to be “dissent” it cannot be based on any lie. Yet from Joe Wilson’s lies to their present denial of the surge working in Iraq, the left’s dissent has drifted from one political lie to the next. Most liberals even deny Islamic terrorists are at war with America much less that there is a very real war on terrorism/jihadism.
Short of a total apology and a mea culpa extraordinaire, simply striking the “quote” demonstrates the further mental malignancy of Jim Henley since its pretty much clear to any fair-minded, independent thinker that he no longer has a case against Steyn. Period. Cut your losses, sir, and simply apologize for your indefensible idiocy on this one point.
Comment by wordless —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Can we assume that the position, denuded of the ‘Steyn’ quote, behind which Henley still stands is that Mullah Krekar is a ‘racist douchebag?’
Comment by FoolsMate —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:21 pm
How long are you going to wait, Mr. Henley, before pulling the trigger on the complete retraction of this article?
Comment by RJ —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Maybe next time you review part of a book you should read it first.
Comment by BL@KBIRD —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
What if we’ve radicalized him with deserved scorn?
Comment by Blackie Hoban —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
Since Steyn’s difficulties are in Canada, let me explain this to you with a Canadian metaphor:
Bud, you just drained the puck into your own net.
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:29 pm
Karen. Please elaborate on the following:
The only Muslim women that I have ever heard espousing anything even close to feminism are in the West and in hiding or are forced to take elaborate security measures.
Please enlighten us.
Comment by Dick_Hertz —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
#288 Comment by english teacher —
December 8, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
geez, if all of you steyn supporters would shut up and reproduce we wouldn’t have anything to worry about would we????
Anyone else notice how the Left always wants to shut-up anyone who disagrees with them??!!!
Remember… They’re Left; not Liberal!
Comment by Good Lt —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:37 pm
Maybe the esteemed enlightened posters here can enunciate what “race” Islam (a religion and a belief system) is.
As a bonus, maybe the leftwingnuts here and elsewhere in the nutosphere always harping on Christians can be branded as “racists” under this new, interesting definition.
Right?
Comment by Karridine —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
#320 Dumbfounded:
Exactly! By accepting the Equality of Men & Women but NOT accepting Baha’u'llah Who enunciated that principle on behalf of God, Muslim women seeking their rightful place in the human world are vulnerable to misogynist, sexist thuggery and ignorance in the form of Muslim males.
Let the Muslims as a whole, learn of the Baha’i Faith and its emphasis on the Oneness of Humankind and the Equality of Men & Women.
Comment by don —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:43 pm
I’d estimate that there are 5 or 6 regular Henley readers out of the 312 comments here. One of them expressed surprise at all the sudden activity. I guess that’s what happens when someone links to your foolishness from a blog that actually has readership.
If Henley keeps making a fool of himself like this, he might actually get more than this first 15 minutes of fame!
On the other hand… it’s gotta hurt.
Comment by Professor Blather —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:46 pm
I can honestly say – setting ideology aside – that this may be the single most embarrassing thing I’ve ever seen on the Internet.
“Gotcha” political rhetoric is kind of pathetic inherently, but if you’re going to stoop to that level – you better be awfully sure you got the “gotcha” part right.
Completely misquoting someone, and then offering a tepid apology? Truly shameful. And we ALL should agree on that, regardless of politics. That should be acceptable from NO ONE.
This is actually representative of the biggest problem with the blogosphere: its become an entirely partisan, ideological battlefield where we believe ANYTHING if it supports our world view, and attack ANYTHING if it hurts the other side.
That is a problem. A vast problem.
But this? This is simply embarrassing. It was a leap … it was grasping at a straw that wasn’t there because you so badly WANTED it to be there.
Agree with him or not, Steyn is not racist. But you so desperately want to tar him with that politically charged, generic broad-brush label, that actually READING what he wrote becomes secondary.
The politics here really isn’t important. But this embarrassment IS important because it is emblematic of everything that is wrong with our political discourse.
If it makes the far-left fringe feel better … it could have happened on the other side. It was just bad luck and bad timing that made it happen here. This poor fool just leaped into the vat o’ stupidity willfully … but he’s not alone.
He now serves as an example of two critical ideals. First – if we’re going to debate, let’s all – in GOOD FAITH – attempt to hear each other, to understand what we’re all actually saying. No need for phony outrage from “gotcha” out of context quoting.
And second … at least read. At least be fair enough to quote accurately. C’mon.
This is an enormous embarrassment, and the uber-lame apology only worsens it. But the worst part is that is now standard. This pathetic moron has thousands just like him.
Let’s all learn from this, and do better.
Comment by Kozak —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
Ha. Seems like in there’s a douchebag involved, you are the nozzle. You aren’t fit to snif Steyn’s bicycle seat.
Comment by senorlechero —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
What the heck…..I may as well get in on the fun. “Douchebag Douche thyself”
That’s good stuff.
WAJ….what a fool henley is. If he wasn’t he bite the bullet, admit he posted an ignorant post, and move on.
Comment by Michelle —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
@dumbfounded @ 11:29
The only Muslim women that I have ever heard espousing anything even close to feminism are in the West and in hiding or are forced to take elaborate security measures.
I’d attribute that to lack of exposure on your part. I work with a number of Muslim women from different parts of the planet on a daily basis and Karen’s comments more closely reflects that reality than yours does.
Comment by Rick —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
What…an…idiot.
Heh.
Comment by LTJ —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
So Henley,
Now that you’ve found the real quoter are you going to call out the (Muslim) imam as a douchebag for stating such horrific racist statements (though Islam is not a race as you fail to understand). Go ahead. I dare you. I double dog dare you. Please, please, call the imam a racist douchebag!
Comment by Perlmangle —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
Yep, I have to agree with the general consensus here. The whole post has nothing to stand on, minus the quote.
You should have supplied another piece of evidence, or (more likely), just retracted. As it stands, you seem like the ignorant bigot, not Steyn.
Comment by senorlechero —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
#328…..Michelle………do you work “in the west”
I’ll bet you do
Comment by Ed —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
I can see Henley now, sweat pouring off his head, rifling through as much of Steyn’s published oeuvre as he can lay hands on, desperately scanning for something, anything, ANYthing (Criminy, isn’t there ANY kind of scrap or bit or thing here that I can smack Steyn with? [rifle rifle rifle] sez Henley). ANY old thing that can substantiate Henley’s half-cocked slander of Steyn.
Too late, man, too late! You got nothin’ now and, most importantly, you HAD nothin’ when you published your ill-advised calumny. A lot of commenters here are checking our watches, tapping our toes — staring at a BARE CUPBOARD, waiting for your vaunted after-the-fact evidence, my dear racism-slandering boy.
Comment by Professor Blather —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
What a wonderfully cogent point!
To be intellectually consistent … don’t you have to label the imam who actually uttered that quote a “racist douchebag?”
Or does that vary … depending on the race, religion, or culture of the individual who made the statement?
And if it DOES vary depending on who made the statement, according to you … doesn’t that, by logical necessity, prove that YOU are inherently racist?
In fact – and please correct if I’m wrong – if you don’t denounce the imam in the same language with which you denounce Steyn (for purely political reasons, of course) – didn’t you just prove that YOU are the racist douchebag?
Any body have a logical argument to refute me?
Good luck.
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Perhaps.
Although I should have qualified my earlier comment with the word “publicly“
Comment by swassociates —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Michelle
Look at the bright side. All this notoriety has gained you so much thoughput. Hope it costs a bundle.
Have a nice day.
Comment by Buck —
December 8, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
So you stand by everything else that you wrote.
You stand by this:
“I’m not completely shocked that Steyn would write with such frank bigotry, or that Regnery would publish it. I’m somewhat surprised that an establishment organ like Maclean’s would run it.”
You can’t possibly stand by that comment, because the “frank bigotry” that you are (and are not) surprised by NEVER HAPPENED.
Only a idiot would stand by an opinion that has been proven to HAVE NO BASIS in fact.
Comment by jummy —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:02 am
okay, a final observation. should henley make a cheap shot of labelling steyn a racist by reference to a eugenicist, which steyn is not, but which contemporary progressives manifestly still are?
Comment by arminius —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Thank you for not deleting these comments, as you have every right to do, and as many a blogger would, if caught in a gaffe like this. Reading them made my night.
Racism and child molestation are about the only vices left in this crazy old non-judgmental, relativistic world, so before you whip out a charge of either one of them, make sure your ducks are in order. If they aren’t, don’t be surprised by the reaction you get….
Comment by Professor Blather —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:05 am
I repeat one last time: this may be the single most embarrassing thing I’ve ever witnessed on the Internet.
And the faux “apology” only made it worse.
Here’s a hint, son: you can’t “stand by” your comments, when the SINGLE piece of evidence offered for your comments turns out to be YOUR complete fabrication.
Comment by Professor Blather —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:09 am
Indeed. I’ll leave you with one positive comment: it showed some shred of integrity that you didn’t delete the hundreds of deservedly scathing comments.
If I check back tomorrow, I truly hope not to find them gone. If you go that route, you can consider your embarrassment complete.
For now … let’s work on that phony apology, what do you say?
How’s this? —>
“The single piece of evidence I used to toss out the trite, over-used label of “racism” in regards to Mark Steyn turned out to be entirely fictitious, based on a quote from an entirely different person … and thus, barring actual, you know, EVIDENCE, I retract all of my characterizations of Steyn.
By my own standards, if I’d seen anyone else do this, I’d label them a lying douchebag. Thus, I am a lying douchebag.”
There. Now THAT is an accurate apology. And it’s precisely how you’d treat your political opponents.
You were man enough to leave up the comments. For that, I applaud you. Now be man enough to offer a sincere and complete retraction.
I double dog dare you.
Comment by Atheist —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:14 am
ISLAM IS NOT A RACE.
Islam is not a race.
Islam is a belief system that is incompatible with western values. Openly opposing it is completely necessary.
Those that brand critiques of Islam racist are doing nothing but using political correctness as ammunition in support of their anti-free speech values.
Comment by Rip —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:16 am
Wow, you sure are one dumb motherfucker, Jim. Please get off the internet.
Comment by Half Canadian —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Walt #50,
If you’d read the book, you would find citations from Mr. Steyn that show Muslims becoming more hostile to Europeans than their parents or grand parents. The London Tube bombers? Native-born muslim brits. Polls of British muslims shows the same issues. Immigrants like Britain, but their kids and grandkids are less positive.
Why?
Comment by Sloan —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:21 am
“I stand by the rest of what I wrote.”
Mr. Henley, if you so thoroughly and completely misread this portion of Mark Steyn’s argument, why should we assume you have any credibility on this issue AT ALL? The rest of what you wrote could be crap as well…which, in fact, it is, in so far as you accuse Steyn of being a racist and a bigot. The very excerpt you used blows a big fat hole in your entire thesis.
Go back and read the excerpt again. No, better yet, read the whole book, but first take off your politically correct blinkers and try to approach the subject with an open mind.
Comment by Homer Jones —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:22 am
ORIGINAL ARGUMENT:
If Mark Steyn said “x”, he would be a racist douchebag.
Mark Steyn said “x”.
Therefore, Mark Steyn is a racist douchebag.
UPDATED ARGUMENT:
If Mark Steyn said “x”, he would be a racist douchebag.
Mark Steyn did not say “x”.
Therefore, Mark Steyn is a racist douchebag.
Comment by eddiebear —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:23 am
So, when speech is something with which you disagree, it must be censored, for
“Speech is dangerous. It does things”, yet when liberal douchebags endorse and root for death of politicans or offer aid and comfort to terrorists, that is OK?
Free speech is not a one way street.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:24 am
And if it DOES vary depending on who made the statement, according to you … doesn’t that, by logical necessity, prove that YOU are inherently racist?
Nope.
do you work “in the west”
I do now, but haven’t always. As for the Muslim women I work with some are from “the west” others from “the east” and some from “the place where east and west meet.”
All this notoriety has gained you so much thoughput. Hope it costs a bundle.
Say what?
Of course Islam is not a race. But you’re using that point to beat the dead horse of p.c. I read it as a cry to allow you to say whatever you want, damn whoever it is! (I smell fear.)
Comment by The Mongoose —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:27 am
“Mark Steyn is a racist douchebag because he compares Muslims to mosquitoes.”
“Um, it was a Muslim who said that. Not Mark Steyn.”
“I don’t need proof! Sure, I lied about who said it but I don’t actually need ‘proof’. MARK STEYN IS A RACIST BECAUSE I SAY SO!”
“Ah, brilliant. You’ve opened my eyes with your superior logic.”
Idiot. Retract your garbage and beg your intellectual superior for forgiveness.
Comment by daledog —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Henley,
RIF
daledog
Comment by I'm it —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:37 am
Santa says “ho, ho, ho!”
And I think he’s talking to you, Jimmie.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Mongoose, do you honestly believe that Mark Steyn is a peace love and joy for all type, or does he have a problem with a certain group of people?
Could there be some gray area there where Steyn is advocating something — something a little more than just pointing out that his fear is that Muslims will take over Europe and that America is the last battleground?
Could it be that Steyn is a ‘lumper’ and really doesn’t care about the ‘race’ of his sworn enemy, but rather sees the benefit of his lumping?
Is Steyn a martyr for pointing out that we should all be afraid?
Comment by BL@KBIRD —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:42 am
Jims pain seems unending…
The lesson Jim?
Life is tough, and tougher when your stupid.
Comment by Word to the Wise —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:45 am
I smell fear.
Take a shower.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:53 am
I can has another try?
Actually WttW, that was pretty funny.
Comment by Socratease —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:54 am
Accurate quoting aside, it seems to me that calling Steyn a “racist” is lazy debating, to put the best face on it. Nobody is going to be convinced of your point of view simply by yelling “Racist!” every time somebody says something you don’t agree with. All it proves is that you have no intention (or is it ability?) of actually analyzing their position and countering it with logical arguments, and instead are only interested in shutting down discussion of the subject entirely.
Comment by Cris —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:56 am
Recently, I’ve bemoaned the fact that the time honored custom of throwing rotten fruit and vegetables at self righteous gasbags has passed from the American scene. I was wrong.
Downrange on the blogosphere, this blog looks like a hurricane hit a produce stand.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:58 am
Idiot. Retract your garbage and beg your intellectual superior for forgiveness.
Lovely. Mark Steyn gets to be intellectual now.
Steyn on this past Friday:
Yes, that’s the Steyn you identify as intellectual. Or were you refering to yourself?
Comment by Billy Bob Redneck —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:04 am
Homer Jones (above) states it the best. Now your post is a complete ad hominem attack on Mr. Steyn. You need to do a total retraction and apologize to Mr. Steyn. I’ve never seen such an asinine “Update” on a blog in years!
And Jimmuh, please look up the definition of “ad hominem” since you obviously failed (or never completed) a basic logic class. You can continue your day job to write for the NYT’s or the WaPo, but you should quit blogging and just crawl under a rock and die of embarrassment.
In words that you will understand, you’re the “douchebag in addition to being a ridiculous figure.”
Great job Homer Jones!
Comment by towerclimber —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:07 am
#66
SAVE THE ANOPHELES!!!!!!!
as for the original post..
I can only say that this guy doesn’t have the brains to pour piss out of a boot, with instructions on the heel.
Comment by Sly McDoogle —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:08 am
This thread, and the many others about Henley, has made my weekend. And it is still only Saturday.
Comment by Evrviglnt —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:08 am
Quick – change the subject!
It’s painful to see the squirming going on over here, but I have to say it makes paying my internet bill worth it!
Thanks Jim!
Comment by R.H. Potfry —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:19 am
In my wildest dreams, I would not have imagined that such a massive blunder could actually be made worse, but that’s what you accomplished with your “retraction,” which conjures images of a sugared-up six year old throwing themselves on the floor defiantly.
I had never heard of you before today. Now I understand why.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:20 am
I’m thinking it’s Steyn that they all believe is the intellectual (and their superior).
Here’s a live one:
That’s not what Henley did.
Steyn has made this same argument for years. It’s nothing new. I’d wager that he will continue — unless he sees that it is not profitable for him. When his value declines, he’ll change his view. It’s what he does.
At the heart of his argument about ‘how the world stands’ is a fear of change. That’s what he is selling. And he clearly has a vocal buyer. I’ll never understand how so many can be led by the nose in this way.
Comment by russ —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:22 am
I don’t fear brown people with funny names as long as they don’t bring with them that Sharia thing they do.
Comment by Edo Van Ede —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:32 am
Michelle-
I don’t think Mr. Steyn “fears change”, unless it is to an intolerant, misogynistic, theocratic, collectivist and crapulous hellhole run by homicidal imams and mullahs and ayatollahs.
A weak argument, and time to change it.
Comment by Dan Rather —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:40 am
Courage Jim … Courage – don’t let the little people get you down – they are fly over country hicks. Stand by what you believe in…believe in what the democrats and Hollywood tell you to believe in. Remember those who do not understand history or why things are the way they are will find out for free in the end …that makes you a winner!
Comment by Socratease —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:44 am
Michelle,
You’re right. Henley didn’t call Steyn a “racist”. He called him a “racist douchebag”. And, after making his correction, he didn’t do it because of what Steyn said, but because … well, I’m not sure exactly why, since all relevant (and irrelevant) quotes have been withdrawn. This is evidently a much more intellectually rigorous argument than I gave Henley credit for. I stand corrected.
By the way, is the fact that Steyn’s argument isn’t new somehow relevant to its validity? I mean, gravitational law isn’t new, either, but that doesn’t mean it has ceased to be correct.
Comment by Ken —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:46 am
What a hoot. You misattribute the only piece of evidence you cite, and when challenged you just cross it out and pretend you don’t need it.
Comment by Jeff —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:50 am
Michelle,
When you purposefully misunderstand Steyn’s argument for the sake of having someone to feel morally superior to and stick to labeling him a racist because he opposes violent jihad, it’s easy not get someone else’s point of view.
Stop misreading for the heck of it. Drop whatever ax you have to grind. And then think, “Boy howdy, I sure don’t want what happened in Britain…a few times…to happen [insert where you life here].”
It would be rather adult of you to recognize an evil in the world like that, wouldn’t it?
Comment by Noam Sayin' —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:51 am
Way to own yourself, loser.
Comment by evilmike —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:56 am
Henley, you are a fascistic, lying, amoral, pathetic, moronic, slanderous, libelous, pandering fleshbag of ambulatory fecal matter.
In other words, the typical modern ‘journalist’.
Keep up the good work, and be sure to let us all know when that Pulitzer nomination happens.
Twit.
Comment by Garo —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:58 am
it’s things like this that make me scratch my head and wonder how anyone with a brain can be a ‘liberal’. so much hate, so many lies.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:01 am
You haven’t read Steyn either then have you? (If you think Henley hasn’t — I’d say you are wrong, but it’s clear that you haven’t read him — that’s for sure.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:05 am
Jeff, are you contorted?
Steyn is afraid of violent jihad. Right. He’s got his, where’s yours?
Comment by Wrong —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:12 am
hmmm.. never realized it is so easy to be a liberal. No accountability, responsibility, accuracy, knowlege or context. Above all blame Bush and racists… and then deny deny deny! yep yep yep being a liberal is so easy now a days
Comment by bushBoy —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:31 am
Hey Jimbob,
Do you read directions for using a mixer like you quote articles ?
Comment by Ikram —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:35 am
Steyn is pretty clearly an bigot — you can see that from his article on the elections in the constituency of Etobicoke North in Ontario.
In that election, for the first time, all four major party candidates were Muslim (from four differetnt ethnic backgrounds). They held different economic, social, and environmental views, ranging from Green to Conservative to socialist.
The muslim population in Etobicoke North is under 20%. Rather than seeing Muslim participation in provincial election on four different secular platforms as s good thing, Steyn depicted it as a sign of a Muslim takeover!
If Steyn only assailed jihadis, he would have grounds to defend himself on the charge of bigotry. But the Etobicoke North article shows that, in some cases, Steyn wants all Muslims driven from public life, regardless of their political views. From that, I conclude that Steyn is a bigot.
Steyn’s Etobicoke article can bve found here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1915716/posts
In that same article, Steyn misrepresented Vancouver’s exemption for hookah parlours from the citywide smoking ban. The exemption also applied to cigar bars. Steyn made it sound like only Hookahs were exempted, and then used it as an example of special rules for Muslims. It’s an example of how where Steyn tells half truths to incite hate.
Comment by David Ross —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:40 am
At this point, our
boozehoundhost is probably sleepingoff a drunk. He has had a troublesome eveningof slamming Everclear shots. So it’s best to wait for tomorrowafternoon, after his hangover clears.Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:49 am
D. Ross that is pretty funny.
If I click on you name will I experience the funny more?
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:49 am
Please link some facts to back up this assertion (”It’s what he does.”)
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:52 am
Without links, Michelle, it looks like you’re trying to Henley the lot of us.
:p
Comment by Person of Choler —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:00 am
Someone above says that Mr. Henley has made an ass of himself. This is not true. Mr. Henley has merely advertised his Creator’s handiwork to the entire literate world.
Comment by Liberal_Crusher —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:01 am
Ikram:
That’s a pretty serious charge you’re making about Steyn being a bigot. I read the Free Republic article and I don’t detect any bigotry. He makes a good point, how can a 20% Muslim area have 100% Muslim candidates unless everyone is feeling intimidated? If an 80% black congressional district had only 2 white candidates, people would be asking questions. But I guess you like Muslim rule.
Comment by pdq332 —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:03 am
#378 By labeling everyone they disagree with as “racists”, the left has pretty much succeeded in draining all meaning from the word. The article you link to is not “racist”, rather it is the multiculturalist system that ascribes different privileges to different groups of people that is racist. Steyn is not a “racist” for pointing that out.
Comment by Bob Soul —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:04 am
You would need to stand on your mother’s shoulders to kiss Mark Steyn’s butt. You are lower than a snake’s rectum. Just apologise for your crass stupidity and leave it at that.
Comment by Edo Van Ede —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:06 am
Michelle-
Au contraire, darlin’.
On both counts.
Henley has proved you wrong.
And, other than a telepathically, I couldn’t.
I oppose Islam’s core dogmas, since they lead to an anti-human rights mindset.
Muslims who do not follow Islam’s intolerant tenets are “bad” Muslims.
Which may make them decent humans.
That’s all I can hope for from them.
Since the deathcult of Islam decrees that they be killed should they dare to leave its clutches.
Or at least that’s what the majority of Muslims state they believe, when polled.
And that’s the sacrosanct rule they follow:
“Kill those who change their [Muslim] religion.” said their “prophet” Mohammad.
Hard to dance around that one.
Even for a dervish.
Whirl on.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:12 am
You are either a Jefe fan or not too smart.
Either/or world/or not
kthxbai
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:13 am
Well done.
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:16 am
Wonderful, that open mind you have there, Michelle.
Careful, your plumage is showing.
Comment by Herbert Hoover —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:17 am
How audacious for you to even attemt to clown Steyn?
You, sir, truly are a douchebag. Every sentence you post on this blog is dumber than the prior, and we’ve all lost a few IQ points by visiting your site.
I suggest you actually read “America Alone”, before you attempt to critique it.
Mark Steyn’s decomposing corpse would, in a battle of the wits (metaphorically speaking), still rape you. He owns you. Just for the record.
How does it feel, to be Mark Steyn’s little bitch?
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:18 am
P.S. Michelle,
I noticed that you chose not to back up your previous slur with even one link.
Comment by nemo —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:18 am
How does it feel to have your ass handed to you? Probably not nearly as bad as being unfairly branded a racist by an idiotic writer writing what he undoubtedly thinks is a masterful hit piece. What a total screw up you have made and what a pathetic apology you have attempted. A dog licking his balls shows more integrity than you have shown.
Comment by Herbert Hoover —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:21 am
393:
And more dignity as well.
What an assclown.
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:25 am
P.P.S.
Brave. Congratulate yourself.
Comment by David Ross —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:26 am
Ikram: The accusation was of racism, not of animus against Islam. As you yourself noted, those Muslims were all from different ethnicities; and if one of them had been a Copt or a Bosnian Serb, I doubt Steyn would have complained.
That said: You made a good catch that Steyn’s argument falls flat when one takes cigar bars into account.
One symptom of “bigotry” is that one makes up, or omits, or misplaces, facts to support a preconceived hypothesis. Bigotry is a real problem in science, as in life, and you are right to call this article on its mistakes, and to extrapolate therefrom that this article was bigoted.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:30 am
Without links, Michelle, it looks like you’re trying to Henley the lot of us.
Steyn wants to muss Romney’s hair. I can’t link to it.
You try to do a jefe on Henley, I doubt that will stick. Jefe’s weight is much reduced.
Steyn wants you all to be afraid. Am I wrong on that point?
Comment by mohammed mohammed —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:30 am
issue a fatwa….
Comment by henry toofanian —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:32 am
Stein should be prosecuted to the extent of the law for offending muslims..
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:34 am
Seriously, Steyn wants to muss a man’s hair. He said it. This past Friday. Why do you all take him seriously?
Comment by James —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:35 am
OK, the key piece of documentation which you provide to support your cause is now crossed out. But you still stand by your assertion w/out providing any new evidence.
This is what one would call Shaky logic. Unless you are Dan Rather.
Comment by Greg W —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:42 am
#397 Michelle
Steyn wants you all to be afraid
That’s like saying Churchill wanted everyone to be afraid of the Germans prior to WW2
Actually he was initially slandered as a warmonger, probably by people similar to yourself.
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:43 am
It is my belief, having read some of his work, that he is dedicated to educating those of us who are not aware of the dangers of ignoring the challenges that we will surely face, whether we acknowlege them or not.
Only a multi-culti apologist would deny that militant Islam has made measurable inroads into Western society in the past few decades.
It is neither bigoted , nor racist, for Mark Steyn or anyone else to say aloud what we all know.
If you don’t see that this is a civilizational conflict, then you must read more widely, my dear.
They (the Islamist Jihadis) want to kill us all. (You too; you wouldn’t fit into the Koran’s or Sharia’s scheme at all.
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:45 am
Seriously, do you not recognize sarcasm when you see it?
Comment by Greg W —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:51 am
#400 Michelle
I doubt if Steyn “seriously” wants to muss Romney’s hair. He often uses humour in his writings, but no one is funny on every attempt. I noticed you seem to be trying to be amusing in some of your comments, but in my opinion you’re not very good at it.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:52 am
Of course you can’t link to it, Michelle. That would provide context, and would show that he was merely taking a humorous poke at Romney’s media-hyped “perfectness” while making a larger point.
But then again, that’s not the point you were asked to back up, which you very well know.
You were asked to support THIS:
So, please give us examples of how it’s “what he does”.
Qwinn
Comment by daveinboca —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:52 am
Of course, Steyn was quoting a Scandanavian imam, not himself employing the mosquito metaphor.
Perhaps someone less rabid and more literate than Henley would have picked that up the first time around.
So if Henley still says Steyn is a racist douchebag, Henley is an illiterate ideologue agitpreppie on the left—and a self-hating “fearless” fool.
Henley should move to Canada to be among his fellow moral cowards.
Comment by boure3 —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:54 am
Hey Hater, to which race exactly do Muslims belong? Douche bag indeed.
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:56 am
Michelle,
I apologize. I mistook you for a serious person, as a couple of your previous comments contained hints of intelligence.
I misread you as someone who would be open to ideas that you weren’t “welded” to, as it were.
It seems that I was mistaken.
You can only view the world through your own particular set of rose-colored glasses.
Sad, that. I can read sparks of intelligence between the dogmatic lines.
Comment by Henry94 —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:01 am
Michelle
Steyn has made this same argument for years. It’s nothing new. I’d wager that he will continue — unless he sees that it is not profitable for him. When his value declines, he’ll change his view. It’s what he does.
So he has been consistent and you are willing to bet he will remain so. Unless he doesn’t because changing his view is what he does?
Could you clarify if your accusation is consistency or inconsistency? And a bit of evidence would be nice but I understand that’s like saying table service would be nice in McDonalds. True but it’s not that kind of place.
Comment by n searcy —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:05 am
boy, you really screwed up!
Comment by BfC —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:05 am
Well, since Michelle seems to be fixated on mussing of hair in at least two threads here, I found the transcript of what I think she is referring too…
Quote:
MS: Oh, yeah, this thing about…I love Robert Redford, dismissed Mitt Romney as plastic, this comment?
HH: Yes.
MS: Yeah, which I find very odd coming from Robert Redford, a man who only likes to be photographed from his good side. I mean, this is…I think these guys are totally out of touch with reality. I mean, I think it’s true that if I had a criticism of the Romney campaign, it’s that he’s actually, he’s one of these guys who could do with mussing up his hair and unbuttoning his tie, and he does have a slick and groomed image. And so in a sense, it would do him good to be unbuttoned and mussed up a bit. But the idea of being called plastic by Robert Redford, I think, is absurd.
HH: The full quote funs, Redford was talking about Mormons generally, and he said, “They are very adept at not being fazed, and speaking fluently and gracefully. Why? Because every single male who’s a Mormon goes on a mission for two years when they’re 19 or 20. They learn how to deflect blows and stay on message. No wonder Utah is the place that all these Republican Senators go. It’s perfect. So when you see Mitt Romney, he’s already been practicing how to deflect blows and stay on message. But it’s plastic.†Do you think you get away with saying something like that about the Jews and their love of money, or the Chinese and their deviousness?
MS: No, and I would be interested to see if he could get away with saying it about, say, scientologists, to name the preferred religion, for example, of his…
HH: Co-star.
MS: …co-star, Tom Cruise in Robert Redford’s current flop movie. I don’t…I think these guys are yesterday’s men. There’s a huge…you know, I’m Mr. Demography bore since America Alone came out, and I often talk about demographics in Europe. You know, there is a huge demographic surge, a huge demographic wind behind the Mormon back. And it is not going to be possible in a couple of election cycle’s time to demonize this big a chunk of the American population, because they’re growing in numbers. They’re not just in Utah. Mitt Romney is running for president from Massachusetts, a Mormon in Massachusetts. I mean, Robert Redford, I think, just sounds slightly out of it. I mean, he is, it is a bigoted remark, but it’s yesterday’s bigotry. And generally speaking, if you’re going to be a bigot, you ought to be up to speed.
End Quote:
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:20 am
Every free thinker should be ashamed of themselves. How dare you use truth! Even if Styen isn’t a racist, he should be called one for beating up a poor Liberal like Mr. Douchebag… I mean Henley.
How dare anyone let truth stand in front of liberalism! You are all mean middle age white men… who most likely work in Big Banks Not even little ones!… or for a Oil Company… (Gasp!)
If Mr. Douchebag… I mean Henley thinks Styen is a racist then he is… So you all better start asking for forgiveness from the liberal gods Hillary and Bill.
And start feeling ashamed, For the Liberal Ideology is always more important then facts, or Histroy you silly sheeple… I mean people. We are right you are wrong so say your sorry, or the Thought Police… I mean Happy Police will be knocking on your door…
So start feeling sorry!
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:24 am
Who’s that?
BfC?
No, I listened to Mark Steyn on the radio last Friday. You know last Friday, yes?
Mark Steyn was on the radio, in for Hugh Hewitt.
You seem to have gotten it wrong.
Shall we crusify you?
You seem to have some sort of website.
Wait no. You link back to freepers.
I love me some freepers.
Care to indulge in some Huckee there, freeper wrong every time ?
Comment by RodneyKing —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:25 am
Clearly this post is an example of the Masthead, “Unqualified Offerings”….
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:25 am
Nice find, BfC. Yeah, the whole “muss” comment isn’t exactly all that damning when seen in context, is it? In fact, he never even says that he personally wants to “muss Mitt’s hair”. Yet another egregious misquote, now on Michelle’s part… but I’m sure that’s okay too.
Qwinn
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:29 am
Still waiting for “that’s what he does” example(s).
I’ll settle for one.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:30 am
BfC, did you listen to Steyn completely flub Hewitt’s show last Friday or not?
The world hinges on you answer.
Out with it.
Comment by dumbfounded —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:33 am
Never mind. See #409. Good day to you all.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:35 am
Not.
BiC didn’t listen to Hewitt last Friday, Qwinn. Do you all think the wingnut only goes out to you? I hear it, too.
Comment by Kenneth —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:35 am
Well, the closest I could get to the book is this review. I think there’s some firmament under Henley. My impression is that there is a premise and an understanding developed over time that allows supporting evidence for that premise without actually coming right out a stating the premise — which would be difficult since it runs counter to American culture. By the way, what ever happened to Dinesh D’Souza? He writes at NRO. I thought the jihadists were the natural allies of conservatives.
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:35 am
To Michelle
Remember, it does not matter what they say truth will be destroyed by our steadfast Liberalism. Remember we are right! And they are Racist to Liberals just how Styen is a Racist to Muslims. You don’t need to be a ethic group, we can make race anything we want, we are liberals!
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:38 am
I think Michelle is seriously suggesting that the fact that she thinks she heard Steyn say something on a radio show, for which she can’t provide any sourcing or link, means that it stands as hard, unalterable fact. And if we do not all concede that Steyn in fact said what she says he said, then we merit “crusifixion”. Actually, I’d say that misspelling “crucifixion” is a better indicator of not being a serious “intellectual” than a joke about Robert Redford’s gripe about Romney’s Ken Doll appearance.
But anyways. Michelle’s current argument is that her own memory and feelings are just as good as sourcing and attribution, and therefore, we’ve lost the argument.
And still no evidence for the “it’s what he does” smear.
This just gets funnier and funnier.
Qwinn
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:39 am
Night night.
Comment by BfC —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:41 am
Michelle????
No, I did not listen to HH… Don’t get it where I live (that I know of…). Only heard him for a few minutes a few weeks ago in Las Vegas on a trip).
Just googled for Steyn+Ronmey+hair and found a couple links.
The Freeper link had the the “hair” line in it. There was a link to the Townhall transcript with only part of the interview (I guess)… I posted that link in your other Hair Muss thread…
So, I guess my question is what the heck are you talking about and/or asking???
No, I have not heard any HH show ever–except once–and I don’t remember a thing from it.
Michelle, are you saying I have the wrong transcript of the show–that it was not the interview by HH of MS but another show where MS was hosting???
If so, then I presume that you should be able to find the transcript like I did…
Notice, I did not make the assertion that this was what you were talking about… I only said “…I found the transcript of what I think she is referring too…” (yes that should have been “to”)…
Now that we know Free Republic and Town Hall are on Google–where did the “world hinges” on my answer–I have no clue.
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:43 am
To Qwinn…
You should feel bad for using truth against Michelle! Because you are using it to make her look bad, which must mean you are a racist… Racist to Liberals
We liberals don’t need ethic groups, anyone can be a racist! Have you not learned we will make up anything and that will always replace reality…
I substatue your reality and replace it with my own!”
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:43 am
don’t you all listen to the man. Sure, I was surprised to hear Steyn guest host for Hewitt last Friday. I was hoping to hear Hewitt himself, given that Mitt had given his JFK speech. But no, it was Steyn with his turducken.
If you all don’t listen to the radio. . . damn is it just me that keeps the ratings up?
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:45 am
“By the way, what ever happened to Dinesh D’Souza? He writes at NRO”
Another lie. D’Souza has written a couple of articles for NRO over his entire career, most notably where he was given an opportunity to -defend- himself against CONSERVATIVE attacks against his book.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D‘Souza
Could any fair minded person read that and conclude that D’Souza “writes at NRO”?
Keeping up with debunking leftist lies is a full time job. Man, and I don’t even get paid for this crap.
Qwinn
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:46 am
Don’t you all get it! Michelle has to be telling the truth she is a Liberal! And we always tell the truth because our opinion is the truth!
Your all racists
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:46 am
You use google?
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:51 am
Henley, you have quite the server.
I appreciate it. Loads like a big boy.
If you could just unload Mona.
Where is she? But for on Turough’s new thread, she just tosses up her old creds.
MONA, you lasted longer on some of Glen’s threads ranting about how me and mine are the death of the nation.
Where are you? Sleeping, I’d guess.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:52 am
Hey, did any of you guys ever read Al Franken? He “writes at NRO”.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTNlMmFmMmI0OWQ4ODFkMzNiMjVhNWNhZTE3MTZlZmQ=
What total asshats.
Qwinn
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:52 am
Remember Qwinn… you have to be a middle age white man who works for some big company, and all you do all day is plan on ripping off blacks, and enslaving Hispanics….
You should make plenty of money from that vast right wing secret group Moveon.org talks about… I am sure you get a cut of some of that oil we are stealing from Iraq… I bet your great great great grandfather owned 100 slaves.
Remember when talking to a Liberal that is what you are, and no little thing called the truth will stop us… for we don’t need it have you not seen this? We are invicible to the truth
Comment by BfC —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:57 am
Michelle,
Actually, I normally use http://www.clusty.com as my search engine. Google has such as “leftest” slant that it is almost useless for looking up anything outright political.
In this case–Clusty did not give me the search terms I was looking for–so, as a pragmatist, I tried other sources…
The Turduckin was also talked about in the transcript(s) posted on November 15/16… So I don’t know if MS was riffing off of his two week past interview with HH or what…
By the way, is this a real conversation or am I just getting setup for more snarking?
Discussion is interesting, Snarks–not so much (is hard to tell which is which with typing and easy to draw the wrong conclusion).
Comment by Kenneth —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:57 am
Could any fair minded person read that and conclude that D’Souza “writes at NRO�
Why would NRO want to distance itself from D’Souza?
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:03 am
[quote]Why would NRO want to distance itself from D’Souza? [/quote]
Because, contrary to your libelous slander, they didn’t agree with anything D’Souza said, as the links I cite prove unequivocally?
And your “I thought the jihadists were the natural allies of conservatives.” is the sort of guilt-by-association tactic that supposedly drives you lefties and/or libertarians crazy but which you consistently practice with unequalled enthusiasm. Hell, at least when McCarthy pointed out that some government intelligence agent or army official was hanging out with and acting in support of communists, they really were.
Qwinn
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:10 am
qwinn you are an ass. Did you hear Steyn on Hewitt’s channel?
I thought not.
Let me give a shout out to all on this thread:
Did any of you listen to Steyn last Friday?
I did.
I heard that dog-whistle, have for all of my life.
Are all of you commenting on this thread saying that you missed Steyn’s mussing? I caught it. Why didn’t you? I heard that whistle.
Are you deaf?
Comment by Kenneth —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:12 am
I can’t wait for Jonah Goldberg’s book.
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:15 am
I like cake
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:16 am
Qwinn, seek help. Please. Now.
Colombine, Virginia State lerk in your comment.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:20 am
I heard Rhandi Rhodes say on the radio the other day that conservatives should be put in trucks, sent to concentration camps, and gassed.
What? You all didn’t hear it? What, are you deaf? Please, obviously if you didn’t hear it, you’ve made exactly the same kind of error Henley did. No, worse actually. Because my second hand claim of having heard something on the radio is as reliable as the Word of God.
Unbelievably hilarious.
Qwinn
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:21 am
Virginia Tech your dumbass
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:22 am
Bwahahaha! Does it get any better? Get schooled over and over again in your lies, so instinctively switch to dubbing the person kicking your rhetorical ass a psycho redneck mass murderer. You’re a parody.
Qwinn
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:23 am
Hey Michelle correct your stupid mistake!
Virginia Tech moron!
Comment by crotchety1 —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:25 am
Former anti-war advocate Major General John Batiste echoes Steyn’s believe on radical Islam. This is a detrimental blow to the apologists.
Comment by crotchety1 —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:26 am
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com
Comment by Kenneth —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:26 am
Overheard at an NRO cruise:
Of course, we need to execute some of these people,” I wake up. Who do we need to execute? She runs her fingers through the sand lazily. “A few of these prominent liberals who are trying to demoralise the country,” she says. “Just take a couple of these anti-war people off to the gas chamber for treason to show, if you try to bring down America at a time of war, that’s what you’ll get.” She squints at the sun and smiles. ” Then things’ll change.”"
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:27 am
Still waiting Michelle! Or did you hear it was Virginia State on the radio? So since You heard it on the radio it MUST be true!
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:28 am
Come on there Michelle not that hard… Just say I made a mistake…
Comment by stinkyfoot —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:28 am
you’re a spectacular idiot. How could you stand by the rest of what you wrote when the foundation of your conclusion was another mans (a Muslim for that matter) words?
nice rant though. lol
Comment by Kenneth —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:30 am
What a coincidence. Mark Steyn was on that cruise.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:31 am
So Kenneth, without any apology whatsoever for being unequivocally proven to attempt to smear NRO and conservatives in general as supportive of D’Souza’s politics, ups the ante – now, some leftie blogger claims they were on an NRO cruise and claims they heard something outrageous. And this is entirely credible because Kenneth wouldn’t lie or make up stuff or use sources willing to just say stuff out of their ass without checking.
This is what’s come of liberal/libertarian wonkery.
Qwinn
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:34 am
Wait. Who among you heard Steyn last Friday?
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:35 am
I’m waiting.
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:37 am
Wait. Who among you Michelle can get their damn school shootings right? If you can’t get that fact right how can we trust a word you say?
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:38 am
Mezzo did you hear Steyn last friday or not?
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:39 am
Oooh, actually, it’s better than I thought. The original source of “I overheard a conservative sound like a Nazi” actually does have some journalistic credentials. Well, since we’re going to use this smear, let’s check out those credentials, shall we?
Among his journalistic masterpieces is: “Paedophiles need support, not persecution”. Well, who could disagree with that? That’s at -least- as incriminating as wanting to muss Mitt Romney’s hair.
http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=910
And it turns out, he was a full fledged supporter of the Iraq War. One can’t imagine that he’s desperate to win himself back into the good graces of his fellow lefties, and claiming he overheard someone say something on a boat way out in the ocean in support of liberal hysterics has got to be, hands down, the most credible sourcing ever to sweep the internets.
Keep it coming, I’m in freaking stitches.
Qwinn
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:41 am
Michelle, you seem to think that it’s up to us to prove that we heard Steyn on Friday and we didn’t hear it. Your bizarre notion of where the burden of proof lies when an attack on someone else is made is hilarious. Apparently, you can make any claim you want about anything anyone said, and it’s up to us to prove it wasn’t really said.
You keep working with that. I’m sure there’s people out there stupid enough to find that convincing.
Qwinn
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:42 am
Qwinn, did you listen to Steyn last Friday?
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:42 am
No, but you have no evidence that you did? You cant get your damn schools right, how can we be sure you can get anything right? Correct your stupid Mistake.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:45 am
I heard Steyn flub Hewitt’s show last Friday. Why can’t you admit that you don’t follow anything except your dog whistle?
Comment by BfC —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:46 am
Michelle,
What the heck are you talking about? You are not very specific–but “last Friday” and commenting on Ronmey’s speech would seem to indicate a date of December 7th…
From HH website (section marked Transcripts):
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/transcripts/
Quote:
Friday, December 7, 2007 at 9:43 PM
Laura Ingraham reacts to the Mitt Romney speech and analyzes the GOP race in Iowa and New Hampshire
Friday, December 7, 2007 at 8:58 PM
Larry Kudlow reacts to the Romney speech, and criticizes Mike Huckabee’s fiscal policy
Friday, December 7, 2007 at 8:17 PM
Dennis Prager reacts to the Mitt Romney speech
Friday, December 7, 2007 at 7:57 PM
Michael Medved’s reaction to the Mitt Romney speech
Friday, December 7, 2007 at 7:00 PM
Dr. James Dobson reacts to the Romeny speech yesterday
End Quote:
These are all interviews between HH and the guest(s) indicated (at least those links I bothered to click through).
Since I know nothing about HH’s show–I have no idea if transcripts are randomly available or why there are big gaps… But I don’t see anything posted that gives a transcript…
Looking around HH’s site, I find audio files here:
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/talkradio/Show.aspx?RadioShowID=5
Friday December 7, 2007
John Podhoretz With Hugh Hewitt
Hewitt: Hour 3 – Guest host Mark Steyn gets a differing review of the Romney Faith In America speech from Commentary Magazine’s John Podhoretz, and continues to take calls of reaction from the listeners.
Looks like (and sound like) this HH:MS discussion was a rerun of the Thursday November 29th CNN/Republican HH:MS discussion. Turduckin was discussed…
And no mention of any Republican candidate by name. This was all about the CNN/Debate process. (link to transcript in my name–to long to post in thread).
Did not find any recent Friday show with MS as guest host.
Far as I can tell, no subscription was required to access any of this…
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:47 am
I see… So 23 people died at Virgina State… Not Virgina Tech… I am so sorry Liberal god… My mistake!
You have no evidence all you have is hearsay… That’s it… total crap…
So which school had the shooting?
Virgina Tech or Virgina State?
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:47 am
“don’t follow anything except your dog whistle”? WTF? How do you successfully dress yourself?
Qwinn
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:49 am
Mezzo, ring Steyn up and ask if he didn’t bow to Hewitt’s main line.
Beat your head against that wall.
Does it matter that there are dead? Why use them?
Comment by Kenneth —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:49 am
I think this describes what both Steyn and D’Souza seek: a vibrant local identity, a sense of community, solidarity among kinsmen, neighbors, and countrymen, narrowly conceived. But it also guarantees parochialism and is grounded in exclusion. Solidarity is secured through war against outsiders. And solidarity often means obedience to a hierarchy in governance, fanaticism in beliefs, and the obliteration of individual selves in the name of the group. Deference to leaders and intolerance toward outsiders (and toward “enemies within”) are hallmarks…
Comment by BfC —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:50 am
My previous post may be stuck in spam review (links in post)…
But, in summary, going to HH’s website (where I got the first transcripts), at best I found was that MS was on with HH Friday December 12th, as a rerun from November 29th discussion of CNN/Republican/YouTube debate…
Turducken mentioned. No Republican Canidate discussed by name or by implication regarding “mussing of hair” (via transcripts or audio).
I think Michelle may be joining several shows from a week or three ago into one event.
Comment by english teacher —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:50 am
these people remind me of archie bunker they want their bigotry they just don’t want to be called on it.
steyn has been sounding the “alarm” about the muslim takeover of the west for years now. so he has an opinion. he goes and does “research” to write a “book” which then supports his already arrived at conclusion. that is not research, that is not objective opinion. that is biased demagoguery and steyn should be ashamed of himself then have his wingnut welfare check taken away from him. give him a pacifier instead.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:51 am
Qwinn, you hear it.
I hear it.
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:53 am
You made mistake Michelle now be an adult and say you made a mistake, or is a mistake below you oh liberal god?
Pick the school?
If you can not simply say opps you lack credibility to anything you say. By law, you have nothing, nothing that proves what was said. If I told you that Hillary Clinton said she eats kittens would you not want evidence of what was said?
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:54 am
“Deference to leaders and intolerance toward outsiders (and toward “enemies withinâ€) are hallmarks…”
Because as is so overwhelmingly obvious here and on a daily basis, liberals and libertarians never recognize “enemies within”. They are always seeking to repair breeches with their conservative brethren, but those mean conservatives continually rebuff their peaceful diplomatic overtures, like “U r nazi”.
As for “intolerance toward outsiders”, heh, you have me there, no one can match liberals for their unshakable tolerance for Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, the mullahs in Iran, Stalin, Lenin, Mugabe… there is no doubt in the world that no matter what they do, liberals will not only continue to tolerate them, they will shower them with awards and affection.
Qwinn
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:55 am
BfC, I heard the man. If you can’t find it, well too bad. Pay up.
I hear it in your voice, too.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:57 am
Comedy gold.
Qwinn
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:58 am
LOL
This is great! she is doing what I said liberals do! They replace Reality with their own! Remember the golden liberal rule! The only truth that means anything is what a liberal thinks… Not any of that sissy reality truth… thats no fun at all is it Michelle?
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:59 am
So Michelle how bad was that shooting at Virginia State?
Comment by english teacher —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:01 am
liberal and libertarians, as you say, don’t “recognize” enemies within? but according to you, liberals are the enemies within, so WHAT THE FUCK?
most liberals don’t just make up paranoid fantasies for others to fear, man. fear is a disease and mark steyn is a freakin’ carrier. don’t you get it? mark steyn leads you assholes around “by the nose” as michelle or kenneth said earlier, points his finger at other people, and calls them “the enemy”. your fellow fucking american citizens, this guy is calling the enemy within. way to go asshole. another mindless fuck conservative. why don’t you go enlist in the glorious crusade against islamism or whatever you are pissing yourself about so the sane people can have our country back.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:02 am
What’s so hilarious about Michelle’s position here is that it’s all about proving that Steyn said that he wants to “muss Mitt’s hair”, and this completely invalidates every other opinion he holds. Who the -hell- cares if he said that? Is it just me, or is making a big deal about a comment like that showing some serious homophobic overtones?
Meanwhile, we have Kenneth in the other corner repeatedly lying to us, and most recently giving us links proving conservatives are nazis based on the hearsay provided by a homosexual activist who regularly pens classical literature like “Paedophiles need our support, not persecution”, and that’s -perfectly- okay.
I swear, I have some liberal friends who are wavering, and can’t take the rank intellectual dishonesty of the liberal movement anymore… I think showing this thread may very well finally tip them over. This thread should be engraved as a classic for all time.
Qwinn
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:03 am
Hey Qwinn, is it just me or does Michelle have a Dog Whistle fetish?
Comment by Sam —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:06 am
Wow, Michelle sure wrestled everyone to the ground with that vitally essential hair mussing thing. What a rhetorical coup. Follow the link to her blog for more evidence of what a terribly clever and original voice she is. A classic case of empty liberal self-importance.
Comment by TheMadKing —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:08 am
Those of you holding your breath waiting for Jim Henley to issue an apology or retraction of his position based on his erroneous attribution of racist keywords to Mark Steyn will be passing out soon. Mr. Henley will simply make a footnote re the quotation marks and MoveOn.
Being a libtard means never having to say you’re sorry. This can be summed up in the anthemic phrase “fake but accurate,” or “Well, yeah, but BUSH!”
Nothing to see here, people. MoveOn.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:08 am
Your pals just called me a liar. You don’t care.
I didn’t lie.
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:08 am
I do hope Michelle puts on her blog about this unreported school shooting at Virginia State… I am so worried!
Comment by BfC —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:09 am
Michelle,
As I already typed, check you spam filter for my post just before 466… I listened to Friday 12/7/07 show, third hour… It was a repeat of HH:MS from 11/29 on the CNN/Rep/Youtube debate (~10 minutes). There was Turduckin and no mussing of hair.
Go to:
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com
And look/listen… Pay UP!
Comment by Aylios —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:09 am
Hahah, he puts a strike-through his previous lie.
The message: “You don’t like it? Ok I’ll put a line through it but let it stand anyway. I don’t care if it’s a blatant lie and a misrepresentation, because reality doesn’t matter to me, I’m a liberal!!!”
Henley, you are a liar and a jerk. Do the world a favour and close your blog.
Comment by Mezzo Qtan —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:10 am
Are going to take your word for it? A person who can’t even get the right school name?
Comment by BfC —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:12 am
I may be mistaken–if Michelle does not “work here”–she won’t be able to de-spam my earlier post…
But in any case Michelle, go to the HH link and click on “Talk Radio Clips”… There is the audio showing your confusion/mistake.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:18 am
No one called you a liar, Michelle.
They just said that if you’re going to claim that Mark Steyn said something about mussing Mitt Romney’s hair – which means he can’t be taken seriously because… what… does it make him a “fag” or something? I’m not sure what the point is… – then you are required to provide evidence. The burden of proof is on you to establish that he said what you claim, not on us to prove that he didn’t say it.
Burden of proof is something liberals seem to have no grasp of. They totally missed the fact that, as agreed to explicitly in the cease fire deal signed by Saddam in 1991, it was he who had the burden of proof to show that he destroyed all the WMD’s he had acknowledged he had, not for us to prove that he didn’t destroy them.
But the liberal mechanic is that whatever claims they can pull out of their ass is the default reality, and conservatives -always- have the burden of proof to show that they’re wrong. This thread, from the original misattribution and subsequent “I stand by everything else I said”, to michelle and kenneth’s rantings and smears, is the perfect illustration of this.
Qwinn
Comment by TheMadKing —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:19 am
You know, I confused Jim Henley with Jim Henson, creator of the Muppets, so much so that I looked up the Muppets theme song. That’s called RESEARCH, Jim. Look into it. Anyway, the theme still applies to tis blog. Enjoy! (WARNING: slightly paraphrased!)
“It’s time to play the music
It’s time to light the lights
It’s time to meet Jim Henley
on the Henley Show tonight.
“It’s time to put on makeup
It’s time to dress up right
It’s time to raise the curtain
on the Henley Show tonight.
Why do we always come here
I guess we’ll never know
It’s like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show
And now let’s get things started
Why don’t you get things started
It’s time to get things started
On the most sensational inspirational celebrational Muppetational
This is what we call the Henley Show!”
HA HA HA HA! Libtard.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:44 am
And still we wait, several hours later, for Michelle to provide backup for her “it’s what he does” smear.
*crickets*
Qwinn
Comment by Neil —
December 9, 2007 @ 7:14 am
NOOB L2Read
Comment by Av idbuff —
December 9, 2007 @ 7:29 am
Just curious what part of your article you stand by… The part where you wrote “Mark Steyn is a racist douchebag in addition to being a ridiculous figure…” with no citations to support your claim or where you wrote “I’ll be damned if I’ll give Steyn and his ilk the satisfaction of victimhood.”, where your own prejudice is revealed for all to see?
Comment by SFC MAC —
December 9, 2007 @ 7:37 am
Henley, before you spew your asinine, liberal tripe you should take the time to read an entire article. Attention to detail is not your forte,is it, sweetpea? The quote in question was by an Islamo-nut by the name of Mullah Krekar, a Norwegian imam, not Steyn.
You clown.
Comment by So Cal Mike —
December 9, 2007 @ 8:57 am
Being on the Left is sublime.
One can spew Marxist drivel along with any other factless garbage as Holy Gospel yet never have to correct oneself or apologize.
I hate the Left. You suck!
When I die I putting that on my tombstone. Too bad you couldn’t all just spontaneously combust right now!
Comment by K.T. —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:03 am
An example of the rise of authoritarianism in North America… mere words, which do not make one bleed, are viewed as legitimate targets of authoritarian censorship. If Mr. Henley views words as “so dangerous,” perhaps he would accept legal sanction for what he now acknowledges were blatant untruths. In this new world of censorship, does Mr. Henley or Mr. Steyn get to choose which words are dangerous? I hope neither of them… and I hope the laughable Canadian human rights commissions are exposed for what they truly are… agents of totalitarianism.
The short road from defense of human rights to outright suppression of them appears to be a very short one, especially in unfree Canada.
Comment by Rummy —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:07 am
you’ve been served, sucka’
Comment by Arthur R. Glass —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:14 am
Why has that quotation been crossed out without any explanation?
Comment by tis me —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:16 am
Unqualified Offerings
SAYS IT ALL.
Comment by Kate —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:17 am
Just followed a link to here. Interesting. I’m engaged in a similar ‘corrective’ exercise with a ‘clergy’ liberal on another blog. The most glorious exercise in self-hating, inverted racism and post colonial guilt I’ve ever witnessed. Why do these people call themselves ‘liberals’? Does that mean all liberals are stupid, incompetent, unable to comprehend statistics or just literacy-challenged.
Well done the ‘refuters’!!
Comment by Steve B —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:25 am
Henley must get his quotes from the onderful quotation finding service David Brock povides over at Media Matters. Look at how Harry Reid got into trouble for following a quote he got from Brock; http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_101807/content/01125106.guest.html
These angry cursing lefties are all the same; a pack of angry name calling idiots with out a fact between them.
Come on Henley, do the right thing and blame it on “the Foer of War”
Comment by Robespierre —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:28 am
Wow, how embarrassing.
Comment by cranky —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:30 am
# 198 Comment by english teacher —
December 8, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
Englishteacher, what distinction should there be between the religion of Islam and those that practice it? If Steyn is writing about Muslim demographics what race is he denigrating? The title of his book speaks more to a future where America’s traditional European allies, countries who provided the bulk of America’s immigrants in the 19th and 20th century — our ancestors, no longer have a majority population with an ancestral record in Europe going back centuries. Instead, the majority population will be Muslim and Europe’s ideology will become anti-democracy and anti-liberal and aligned with Islamofascism.
Sounds good, right?
Trackback by Hyscience —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:31 am
‘Islam is not a race you politically correct programmed idiot.’…
The title of this post comes from one of my many favorite comments to Jim Henley’s idiotic post on Mark Steyn’s present legal woes. That’s where you’ll find some entertainment at the expense of a politically correct programmed idiot. So, be sure to…
Comment by Ray —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:35 am
I’m glad to see that you have offered an apology of sorts. I wasn’t entirely sure whether you were an idiot or a liar; it’s at least clear now that it is the former.
Comment by py —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:38 am
Ever hear of BDS? Hate Americitus? Trooferism? Free Speach Phobia? Diseases of fear and powerlessness suffered by “most” liberals.
Incredibly ironic that you can’t seem go more than a sentence or two without cursing, yet you call yourself “english teacher”. Is that a feeble attempt at irony or simple ignorance? I’m leaning towards the latter…
Your rage and incoherence gives the impression this never really was your country. You might want to consider Canada.
Comment by The Ace —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:44 am
Posted by Jim Henley
And now we see what happens when muppets blog!
You leftists can really no longer be parodied.
Comment by N Williams —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:07 am
This string reminds me of a yahoo string I read a couple years ago.
And I quote:
poster: “Excuse me, Why are liberals called libbies?”
response; “Because worthless, low life, braindead, chickensh*t, motherf*cker is too long.”
Comment by Ayalyn —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:08 am
What ever happend to liberals hate of RELIGION? I guess Islam is a RACE not a religion?? LOL
Imagine there’s no Heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say that I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one
Comment by Jon Fraud Carry —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Here is how you use quotation marks, Mr. Henley:
“It’s tempting to say to Jim Henley, “Douchebag, douche thyself”, and leave it at that.”
There, that wasn’t so hard, was it?
Leftard.
Comment by Tariq Ishaml —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:14 am
The best thing to happen to your bleeding heart website is to mis-quote Mr. Steyn. When you don’t have good work yourself, mis-quote and attack others. Then when they complain and try to correct your obvious mistake you get plenty of traffic to your pathetic website.
Comment by Mitch —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:16 am
I love the revised post. Loud and clear, it says “My major premise is utterly wrong; my minor premise is probably wrong, too; nevertheless, I stand by my conclusion.”
Comment by aine —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:24 am
Mark Stein -> …”Douchebag, douche thyself”…
rotflmao
The best part is that when jim henley realized his dumb mistake, he retracted the central point of his entire argument, but still stands by it!
I say double douchebag, douche thyself.
Comment by Kerry —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:32 am
English teacher –
I was taught by my English teacher mother that sentences begin with capital letters, as do proper nouns. Your posts are a disgrace to your alleged profession.
I’m not even going to address the infantile content, beyond noting that I will never cede control of this country to someone who can’t even post in proper English.
Comment by NBC —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:37 am
Jim Henley, Ignoramous
Comment by Ken —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:39 am
This is frickin’ hilarious. You’ve made my day, and made yourself into a laughing stock. Steyn has swept the floor with you with a masterful reply that will live as an eternal embarrassment to you.
I’m just sharing a beer and a joint with some friends and this is truly funny. Thank you. Thank you so much, you total, supreme douchebag.
Comment by gigantor —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:40 am
Hang on, Mark Steyn is now a racist and a homo who wants to ruffle Mitt’s hair?
Who’d have guessed?
Comment by Excalibur —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Henly -EXPOSED , the “misquote/mistake ” was INTENTIONAL , and that belies the agenda .
And the character of Henly .
Comment by David —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:43 am
I would be willing to bet Mr. Henley knew quite well that he was taking things completely out of context and figured he would get away with it. That, you see, is standard practice for liberal writers and journalists. It’s good to see the facts thrown in his face, as it discounts everything he has said about the matter. He can “stand by the rest of what” he wrote if he wants to, but it all (he) has been made irrelevant.
Comment by Jerry —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:44 am
Pregnant London Wife: “Honey, have you read Mark Steyn’s book?”
London Husband: “Yeah! Focusing on demographics, it has one huge hole in it!”
L. Wife: “What’s that, Dear?”
L. Husband: “Steyn thinks we’re going to wait around until 1950 to become a terrorized minority?” Pulls out a world map. “We’re moving now! How does Canada sound to you?”
Comment by swassociates —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:45 am
I’ve noticed that Jim has been absent since his little “mistake” letting his clueless minions carry the load of excuse making. Sort of “Excuse Surrogacy” I guess. When you grow some balls (or sober up which ever comes first) please stop by and resume channeling Dan Rather.
Comment by Jeb —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:46 am
This blog is an insult to Border Collies
Comment by Excalibur —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:47 am
Where I come from we call this LIEING .
Not only a “retraction ” , but an APOPLOGY is in order .
Comment by Excalibur —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:49 am
…and I’ll ADMIT to the spelling error .
“it was a mistake “
Comment by Gary —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:50 am
As a resident of europe this argument would be hilarious if I wasn’t actually seeing the continent going down the toilet before my very eyes. Henley,you are a muppet.
Comment by Doc —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:51 am
So you call Steyn a racist, and then support your contention by using a phony quote that Steyn never said. Then when you are called on it, you cross out the quote but, unsupported, say you stand by calling Steyn a racist and a douchebag – but with no support.
You are a scoundral and a jackass, not to mention an enemy of a free press. Please slip on your armband and goosestep somewhere other than my computer screen. And now with your credibility in tatters, I leave your squalid website, hopefully never to return.
Comment by Excalibur —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:54 am
…..so ….even the “faux whining ” about how Canadien Muslims “must feel ” is totally BOGUS , and is infact an attempt to incite , based completely on a [known to be ]false premise .
Now WHERE did I see an M.O. like that before ???
Comment by Excalibur —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:58 am
Henly [ winking to Norwegian Imam who made the statement } “there should be a fatwah issued , dont you think ” ?
After all things are a bit too quit up there in Canada , perhaps a “protest ” ….is in order .
Now talk about “dangerous free speech ” of which one claims to be an “absolutist ” of .
Comment by Robert —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:01 am
Here’s Jim’s description of himself:
“Unqualified Offerings is the weblog of freelance writer and accounting analyst Jim Henley, who lives in Silver Spring, MD with his family in an unprepossessing subdivision. Preoccupations include what passes for national security, politics, comic books and science fiction, health and fitness, and poetry.”
Jim is what passes for an ‘accounting analyst’. What the hell is that? An accounting analyst? Is that like a total douchebag or something? He also lives in an ‘unprepossessing subdivision’? What the hell is that? How does anyone live in a subdivision? (And of what?) Is it even a sentence? Does it mean that Jim is some kind of douchebag or just plain disturbed?
Comment by D —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Nice going! Your agenda driven bilious blather makes you look like a moron. Steyn was quoting a Muslim cleric…the racism is the cleric’s, not Steyn’s. Don’t you “journalists” get schooling in grammatical devices…like quotation marks?
Comment by Education Guy —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:09 am
Now, the right move to make when you figured out your mistake would have been to retract and apologize. I figure it’s your arrogance that prevented you from doing so. Too bad.
Comment by Excalibur —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:09 am
Change the name of your blog to :
IRRESPONSIBLE OFFERINGS
-for any man’s words go out into the ether , unable to be recalled , and are “latched onto ” by any and all , and there consequences unknown to the originator of such words .
It is one thing to take responsibility for truthfull words , and quite another to shirk responsibility for lies that are spread .
Ultimately , Mr. Henly WILL be rsponsible for any and all effects wrought by his lie .
Comment by Bill —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:12 am
Responding to #2. First, do you have a quote showing that Steyn has said Europe will be Muslim majority in 2050?
But putting that aside, 2050 is 43 years away. Assuming a life expectency of 80, then most people who are 37 or older today will be or will soon be dead by 2050. Given the aging population of indiginous European societies, the majority which you claim could not be overwhelmed would seem to be gone by the date in question.
Comment by Joe in MI —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:13 am
“I stand by the rest of what I wrote”.
BWAAAAH,HAAAAAhahahah….OOOOOHHHH…HEEEEE-HEEEE!!!! (cough,cough)!!!
(That’s rich – go ahead and stand BY it, Jim. ‘Cuz, if you stood ON it, you’d fall through right quick.)
Comment by Excalibur —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:14 am
If only ONE hair on ONE head is harmed , that RESPONSIBILITY will be on YOUR head Jimbo .
Now keep your day job , and do some jogging around your “subdivision ” , and every time you feel compelled to touch your keyboard again , do another lap around the “subdivision ” .
Comment by Johnboy —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:15 am
Liberals have a pathological taste for shoe leather! Enjoy the meal!
Comment by Susan —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:15 am
those who imagine that islam is just a variety of religion may support the attempt to silence Steyn. but islam is primarily a social order, a political system — and that system has a place for you; and in the event, you will not like it.
all this “douchebag… moron” talk does not help people to see the long-term threat; or to understand how silencing critics of islam increases that threat.
a fine source: http://www.jihadwatch.org
Comment by Christopher Taylor —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Let me get this straight: you stand by your condemnation of Mr. Steyn as a racist scumbag even though your evidence of him being so is utterly false and without merit? Even though had he actually said this it wouldn’t have been actually racist to begin with, since “muslim” is not a race? That’s your position?
And you want people to take you seriously and read your blog? Enjoy your temporary spike in hits as people mock you roundly and most deservedly. Then enjoy a slouch off into obscurity.
Comment by DanGrantTx —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:26 am
I am surprised you are not trying to blame your poor writing and research skills on some sort of vast right wing conspiracy.
Congratulations on becoming the worst of what humanity can produce: a self-righteous liar with borderline personality disorder.
Comment by Professor Blather —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:27 am
I’m impressed the comments are still here – but is neither Henley nor one of his few defenders even going to attempt to address his inescapable logical fallacy.
He did indeed craft a syllogism. He argued that Steyn was “racist” based on a single piece of evidence; in fact, that single statement was the antecedent for the claim of racism.
By Henley’s own admission, he “embarrassingly” (or perhaps intentionally) used a quote from someone else as the sole support for his claim of racism.
And now, though he admits to his error (or perhaps is intentional and arguably actionable libel), he insists the conclusion remains the same.
Does this honestly make sense to you, Henley? To your supporters? Do you believe as a general principle you can maintain conclusions once the premises upon which those conclusions were based have been proven false?
Do you realize what an abject lack of integrity you are now displaying?
I’d really like one person to skip the politics – quit tossing out irrelevant red herrings and straw men – and just address the basic logic.
X is true if and only if Y is true.
Y is true.
Thus X is true.
But we now know that Y is NOT true.
So how can you logically continue to claim that X is true? How?
Is it all just “fake but accurate” to you? Did you just start with your conclusion and then flail about for evidence? That’s exactly it, isn’t it?
I repeat my assertion from last night: this is the single most embarrassing thing I’ve ever seen on the Internet.
Well done. That took some work.
Comment by Bryan —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:36 am
Wow – quite a hornet’s nest stirred here!
#466 – Kenneth: you linked to a 15-year-old article I had to suffer through in an intro Poli Sci class years ago? The author was basically putting forth a kind of “here’s the next ‘warld war’ scenario,” I’m pretty sure the “jihad” side isn’t something either Steyn or D’souza want.
Michelle – it’s “lurk”
Bryan
Comment by Bryan —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:36 am
OK – “world.” Sheesh.
Comment by Rob —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Does that mean Mullah Krekar is, in your words, “a racist douchebag”? And if one calls Mullah Krekar a “racist douchebag” does that make the speaker a “racistdouche bag”? Jus askin.
Comment by holdfast —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:43 am
Wasn’t there an old radio comedy – Monty Python’s “Secret Policeman’s Ball” I think – where one person says that an Arab can survice for a month on a single grain of rice, the other responds “what, a great bloody Arab surviving on one grain of rice!?” and the other says, not not an Arab, a mosquito. I always get those mixed up because they are right next to each other in the dictionary – Mosque and Mosquito.
Anyway, guess where I heard this skit? Yup, the CBC. Better put them in the dock right quick, though I think this was 20 years ago before we had terrorist lobby groups like CIC and CAIR.
Comment by Booneski —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:47 am
With apologies to Nat King Cole:
D is for the Dumbest bloggin’ fool,
O is for Openly leftist tool;
U is very, very Uninformed and stupid, cherie;
C-H-E, he’s even more than ass-Clownish he’s such a bore and
Jim can’t comprehend quotation marks,
Steyn whacked his balls right out of the park;
Jim’s gone into hiding, dodging critics and time-biding
‘Til his next moronic post . , ,
yeah,
Douche Bag, that’s you Jim Henleyyyy!
Comment by Rob —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:50 am
“In some cases, bad speech may be allowed to remain long enough to be cured by good speech”.
Comments Policy
Gee, when you wrote that I bet you had no idea………..
Comment by Don Winslow —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:58 am
This is an obvious question:
Henley, what do you think of Mullah Krekar’s words?
To wit:
“We’re the ones who will change you,” the Norwegian imam Mullah Krekar told the Oslo newspaper Dagbladet in 2006. “Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes. Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children.” As he summed it up: “Our way of thinking will prove more powerful than yours.”
You must have an opinion about such a statement. What is your opinion?
Comment by ubercheesehead —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
I’ll bet you’ve never before had this much traffic for your pathetic ravings. Which just goes to show that not all attention is good attention…
Comment by BL@KBIRD —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
And on and on, LOL….
And poor english teacher (who can’t compose a sentence or punctuate and there fore I do believe he/she/it is an english teacher in some unlucky school)and Michell who did a Henley before our eyes! And a couple of other sad sacks who acted out a parody of what leftards actually consist of! This entry should be put in Wiki or someplace as the quintessential example of left/right discourse. Way to much of a cliche to be believed.
Comment by Josh —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
Looks like Jim Henley openly admits when he makes an error and quickly corrects it.
Unlike Mark Steyn.
Comment by eddiebear —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
541:
No, according to what lefties like Henley tell themselves, they cannot be racist. Calling Dr Rice all kinds of names? No problem. Praising terrorists and Che? no problem. It’s because their ideals are so lofty, any means required to achieve the ends, even if it means acting 189 degress opposite their objectives, is acceptable.
Oh, and praising Islamists and trashing all others is OK as well.
Comment by Iman Douchebag —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
Wow…
A thread this long on a lefttard blog that doesn’t call for the death of Dick Cheney?
Impressive.
Um, does noting this make me a “racist”, or a “douchebag”?
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Read your link, Josh.
What a laughable attempt at a fisking. In his reference to the Omagh bombing, Steyn doesn’t make any statement to the effect that it was anyone but the IRA that conducted the Omagh bombing. He was making the ironic point that if Palestine can be used as justification for Osama’s bombings, it can be used to justify any act by any group of terrorists, not just… wait for it… other Osama bombings.
Your link simply assumes that he was attempting to represent the Omagh bombing as anything other than yet another bombing by Osama. So in his mind, Steyn was saying that if Osama can use Palestine as an excuse for a bombing half the world away to the east, he can use it to justify… his own bombings halfway around the world to the west. That would be a pretty lame and tautological point for him to be trying to make, wouldn’t it?
No dice. Try to find an example where Steyn actually clearly says what you’re dubbing to be a lie, rather than building up a straw man and then congratulating yourself for knocking it down so easily.
Qwinn
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Sorry, correction. Should have read:
“Your link simply assumes that he was attempting to represent the Omagh bombing as simply another bombing by Osama.”
Steyn says no such thing. If you think it’s implied, that’s a matter of opinion, not a factual error.
Qwinn
Comment by Dom —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
I can generally understand a mistake being made, but what kind of an idiot must Jim Henley be to hang such an offensive argument on such a clear misreading?
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I’m unforgiving because even without the mistake, Henley’s argument and his subsequent non-apology are about the most cynical and arrogant thing I’ve ever read. I’m not a particular devotee of Steyn – he is too black and white – but I can spot a mile off that he isn’t racist, and I can spot a mile off that Mr Henley is a nasty gossip-mongerer with no integrity whatsoever. I mean, really, he read Steyn’s original article, took that quote out of the quotation marks, attributed it wrongly to Steyn, wrote a short essay slagging him off on that basis and clearly without double-checking himself, and when asked to acknowledge the error, accepts the mistake but “stand(s) by the rest” (there was nothing else). What a douche.
Comment by Bob —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
PWNED
Comment by Josh —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Qwinn, you’re clearly in need of remedial instruction in reading. Steyn implied the Omagh bombing was carried out by the IRA, affiliated with Adams and McGuiness, when in fact that bombing was carried out by a group opposed to the process in which Adams and McGuiness were participating. Fool.
Comment by bill —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Why cannot there be an open, honest, and critical discussion of Islam, without the “Racist!”, or “Islamophobe!” labels applied by the media and blogs like this? After all the bombings… 911, Britain, Spain, Bali, and the Teddy Bear incident, the Cartoon Riots, the Pope riots, the whipping of the rape victim, and on and on, it is obvious that there are serious problems with Islam that should be corrected. We need an open examination of Sharia and the attempt by Islam to enslave Europe and the US, in an Islamic Caliphate. Have you read about the 3 Parochial school kids who were beheaded? That the perpetrators were given a 17 year sentence, that Moslems are almost always paroled in two years, after killing non-believers in Islamic countries? About the 1000 Church bombings in Indonesia? About the religious persecutions in Dafur? About Islamic law in Saudi Arabia – no other religions are permitted, and owning a Bible will get one arrested? About the assassinations of Buddhists in Thailand? Can we expect the same in Europe and the US? Isn’t this a matter of great import? Don’t we need to question Islamic fundamentalists about this? So why are these inquiries continually stymied by the “Racist” Label? And why is this label applied at all, since Islam is a religion, and not a race?
Comment by Arthur Lincoln (UK) —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
The whole western world is waking up to the leftist liberal lies and propaganda that you expound. You and people like you have pushed a little too far.
Comment by JD —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
It’s “racist” to quote an imam? Henly you do look an ass today, don’t you? You stand by the rest of what you wrote, even though it’s all based on the first mistake? ROFL
Comment by John Torres —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
UPDATE: I see I made an embarrassing mistake in attribution in the original text of this piece. That was my error, careless on my part, and I apologize for it. I stand by the rest of what I wrote.
It’s already been pointed out by others how stupid and illogical Henley’s “apology” is. It’s also too funny for words.
Henley should be nominated for the Emily Litella* Award for most stupidly funny comment of the year!
“Never mind…”
(Gilda Radner’s silly SNL character)
Comment by Layer Seven —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
Anybody who mentions honor killing is a bigot. Et cetera, and ad infinitum.
- Jim Henley (Because I said so).
Learn to like it; or I will call you a douchebag.
Comment by Mercutio —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
Mr. Henley….
Thank you, I haven’t laughed so hard reading comments in years.
Comment by Richard Romano —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
The comment by Ty Shareef was powerful. Thank you for your service; I know Muslim people who are completely horrified by what other “Muslims” do in its name…but then we also have sympathizers who say it’s wrong to condemn terrorists who kill in the name of Allah.
We salute brave men like Ty who understand the difference between good and evil.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
Josh, ah, I see, I did in fact misunderstand the point that link is trying to make. But it still doesn’t wash. Although it’s possible that Steyn did make a mistake in what he said, there’s still two problems with your analysis:
1) Steyn doesn’t actually say what it is claimed he said. Steyn said, quote,
This doesn’t necessary mean that they were the ones responsible for it, especially if they were viewed as strongly opposing it. An allegory for what could have been meant is, “my advice to Bush is to put down the 9/11 bombings as an understandable reaction to the Zionish oppression of the Palestinian people, and therefore stop being so defensive and warmongery in his response.”
But if you consider that a stretch, let’s assume Steyn did make a mistake in that regard (and this assumes that no one disputes the claim that Adams and McGuiness weren’t in any way involved, a matter of which I honestly have no knowledge, but what I do know of the IRA’s history is that on more than one occassion the same group would be participating in a “peace process” while arranging bombings and pleading innocence, so I’m not taking that claim of innocence as a 100% given either):
2) Unlike Henley’s distortion, Steyn’s “mistake” is utterly and completely immaterial to the conclusion. The historical error, if it was one, is essentially on a point of trivia. Adams and McGuiness have absolutely nothing to do with the point at hand, unlike the way in which Henley’s distortion was 100% central to the point he was making.
The author at the link admits as much, but then relies on the assumption of Steyn’s most venal motives on which to rest his case:
So even the author of his fisking admits it makes no difference whatsoever to the overall argument, but then gives us the real rhetorical meat of his case: that Steyn is a big smelly doodoohead who lies just for the sheer malicious joy of lying. I’m sure afterwards he kicks puppies because it suits his whims to do so.
If only you held your own side to anywhere near the same standards that you hold Mr. Steyn, your side might not make the kind of embarassing mistakes like Mr. Henley’s that actually go toward undermining the arguments you’re trying to make. But unfortunately, the double standards you apply are light years apart.
Qwinn
Comment by t winston —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
Comment by Walt —
December 8, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
“Look, Europe is not going to be majority Muslim, Europe’s Muslims are going become more like non-Muslim Europeans with every generation, and the Muslim birthrate will drop to the European norm. This the conclusion of people who’ve actually looked at the issue, i.e. not Mark Steyn. Steyn hates Muslims as a group — this is completely clear from everything he’s written. If it makes you feel better to shout “Muslims aren’t a raceâ€, then go right ahead. If you’re dumb enough to think that Europe is going to be majority Muslim, you have bigger problems. Like the fact that you are being played a fool.”
Meanwhile, we who are actually living in Brussels are seeing whole neighborhoods become islamisized little by little. One former neighbor told me 2 years ago “I should probably sell my house now because the neighborhood has changed so much in 10 years. The value is going to keep going down”. Another neighbor (jewish) is now gone.
Keep talking man, but we actually have to deal with reality! A month ago Sadia Sheick was murdered on the street by her family because she didn’t want to be sold in marriage back in Pakistan. Even she could see what this was all about. Maybe one day you will too.
Comment by E. O'Neal —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Douchebag, I’m sure you’ve been frantically searching for evidence to back up your reckless smear that Steyn is a racist. Did you come up empty? Any regular Steyn reader could have told you that you would. But at least you got more hits on your deservedly obscure blog than ever before or probably ever again.
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Comment by JD —
December 9, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Party over. JD has spoken. Never mind that JD doesn’t listen to nor read Steyn. He knows the answer!
Nice job.
Comment by E. O'Neal —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Michelle, go to Hell.
These are words that go together well,
My Michelle.
Comment by Scott in Atlanta —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
I had never heard of nor read anything written by Jim Henley before today, and I understand why, after reading his idiotic rant. Does it makes someone, say Mark Steyn, a douchebag when he is called that by the ultimately bag for doucheing? I think not.
Jim, go back to garbage collection or asking if one would like fries with that order. These seem to be tasks you’re much more suited to than criticizing brilliant and CORRECT people.
Comment by Layer Seven —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
You are all just a bunch of mean douchebags.
Jim Henley (and I stand on it).
Comment by Professor Blather —
December 9, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
Still not one attempt by Henley or his dwindling supply of supporters to just address the painful illogic of Henley’s post.
You can’t base a conclusion on a fact and then reaffirm the conclusion once the fact is proven to be fiction. You simply can’t. That’s not politics or ideology, it’s common sense and simple logic.
I suspect that the reason they won’t touch this simple truth is because they’re fundamentally dishonest.
Henley lied. He probably did it on purpose. There was no error. It was the conclusion that mattered – the only mistake he made was using an easily disprovable lie to back up the conclusion he wanted to reach.
That’s sloppy writing, unethical research, sophomoric rhetoric, and dishonest to the core.
And as always, its now the cover-up that’s worse than the crime; as always, its the painfully embarrassing tap dancing that’s worse than the initial screw-up. How come nobody ever learns that?
This has nothing to do with politics. It doesn’t even have anything to do with Islam or religion.
It’s about honesty and integrity and simple logic. Henley and his supporters unquestionably fail in all three.
Comment by Harry P. Ness —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Josh, a correction would look like this:
I wish to apologize to Mr. Steyn for accusing him of being a racist. The quote central to my accusation was uttered not by Mr. Steyn, but by another. As well, my use of the word “racist” is not correct. A racist discriminates based on race, not religion or creed. I also apologize to all of those who have risen to my defense. It is not my intention to place you in a position of defending the indefensible. I do not agree with Mr. Steyn conclusions but in the future I will endeavor to check my facts and eschew personal attacks.
Now that’s a correction….
Comment by Gene Callahan —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
‘Where are you Mr. Henley…hiding under the bed hoping this will just go away? Try to be an adult; deliver an abject apology to Mr. Steyn and your readers.’
Amazing — only one hour after Steyn’s post, and this was about the 30th post accussing Jim of ‘hiding.’ Maybe he doesn’t spend 24 hours a day waiting for fascist posters to swarm mindlessly to his blog?
Comment by Shiekyerbhouti —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Michelle, the facts are against you in every respect. The wise course for you would be to just stop posting on this thread, because all you are doing is proving not only that you are a fool, but that Henley’s defenders can’t think their way through a simple two-step syllogism.
Comment by Joe Strummer —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
I excerpt the point from the Hari review for those with short attention spans. I just linked the full review in my previous comment:
But number-crunching and mockery are not a sufficient response; it is hard to comment on Steyn’s work without noting in it issues of race. Of course, Steyn insists: “To agitate about what proportion of the population is ‘white’ is grotesque and inappropriate. But it’s not about race; it’s about culture.” Yet it quickly becomes clear that, for him, “culture” is merely a thinly veiled homologue for “race” – and then the mask slips entirely. He writes: “Those who pooh-pooh the United States’ comparatively robust demographics say they reflect nothing more than the fecundity of Hispanic immigration . . . In fact, white women in America still breed at a greater rate – 1.85 or so – than white women in Europe or Canada.” So after saying it is “gro-tesque” to count out “white” babies, he does just that. “White” is not a culture; it is a skin colour.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Gene Callahan,
I think Jim has spent enough time being “embarassed” by his mistake to come out and actually retract the slanderous accusation which he based on that mistake. It’s been well over 24 hours now since the mistake was made, and the slander still stands despite the support for it having been completely destroyed.
And if you’re wondering why he was accused of hiding so early on, it’s because he was still adding other posts to his blog while the responses to this post were piling up. So it’s not like he wasn’t around to notice.
That said, I don’t object to the speed with which he offered his initial “apology”. It came reasonably quickly after his initial mistake. What I object to is the incompleteness of that “apology”, which noted the error and then reaffirmed every bit of slander he’d based on it. His “Important Update” later on didn’t really improve matters, in that all it did was promise that he’d be along later to reaffirm his slander. Way to try to fix the irresponsible damage done to his reputation.
Qwinn
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
Joe Strummer:
Hilarious – the point Hari makes to attempt to prove racism in fact does the exact opposite. Read Steyn’s quote again:
He’s not comparing “white babies” to Hispanic or Islamic babies. He’s comparing white babies in the U.S. to white babies in Europe, and finds that they vary greatly – which -proves- the point that it’s not about race, it’s about culture, and the difference in birth rates has nothing to do with race but the differing -cultures- between America and Europe. Your “reviewer” turned Steyn’s statement completely on it’s head.
Talk about COMPLETELY missing the point. Wait, claiming that he missed it would give him too much credit. Sounds like deliberate disingenuousness to me.
Qwinn
Comment by Layer Seven —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Yes, Gene, thanks.
These mindless, fascist commenters don’t understand true intellect, when confronted.
The logical arguments like “douchebag” always get me through; the pure logic is inescapable.
Fascist, and mindless work good too, as you point out.
As long as you back them up with inescapable facts, like “douchebag.”
Jim Henley, PhD/hygienist
Comment by glv —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:27 pm
You’ve been exposed and have exposed your racist lefty comrades to everyone……time to see if you can dig out of your hole by apologizing to Mark…..or maybe you can dig some more???
Comment by Shiekyerbhouti —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Gene Callahan, please define “fascist”.
Comment by E. O'Neal —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Henley’s absence is because he’s still searching for a real quote to prove Steyn is a racist. This search could take as long as O.J.’s for the real killers.
Comment by Mark —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Poynter has an article on when to “unpublish” information on the web. As they are also left of center (I am being diplomatic) you should have no problem following their advice.
http://poynter.org/column.asp?id=101&aid=129083
Comment by swassociates —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
How about a constructive suggestion for JH
Just post a real and heartfelt apology to Mark Steyn and his readers expressing how sorry you are for being an incompetent turd. Promise you’ll actually read articles in the future before commenting on them, and go on record calling the Imam a Bigoted Douchebag.
Let the corrective head chopping begin.
Comment by imac —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
….still waiting for apology….
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Shiekyerbhouti, all you and yours are showing is that I and mine read and listen to Mark Steyn more than you all do.
Comment by swassociates —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
What is amazingly funny is that JH could disarm all us commentors by making an actual apology.
So Michelle
Are you, Jim, or Thoreau pivot man on your circle jerk?
Comment by Harry P. Ness —
December 9, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Then you would have known that he hosted the Hugh Hewitt show on Thursday (12/06/2007) rather than on Friday.
Here is the link, found at the inscrutably vague location of “Steynonline.com”, who would have thought of that?
http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/757/128/
Can I call you a douche bag yet?
Comment by Harry P. Ness —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
P.S. My last comment was for Michelle…
Comment by jukin —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
So it is the fake but accurate defense of the indefensible.
Comment by cdn.infidel —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
You Mr Henley are the perfect example of “Never let logic and common sense interfere with
liberal, lefty thinking”.
Stupid is as Stupid does right Henley?
Comment by john —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
hide your head in shame, for your blog will NEVER be the same
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
paranoid much?
k, so you finally found the quote? It was Thursday, not Friday? Put me on a cross, k?
You all really don’t get it do you?
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
No, Michelle. No one has yet found the quote you claim, as no one has found a transcript of that show. Your memory – which is obviously not all that precise given you flubbed the one verifiable bit of data regarding your claim – is the only extant source of the claim that Steyn is a lightweight because he’s a homo who wants to muss Mitt’s hair.
Then again, I’m not sure on this but it seemed that BfD -did- find the transcript of the day he hosted the show, and there was nothing in the transcript that you claimed was there. So it is possible that it was verified, and you were wrong.
I think we’ve done more than enough work disproving a claim for which you bore the entire burden of proof to begin with. Until you do your own work and back up your own claims, I think we can expect you to “pay up”, and otherwise put you on ignore.
Qwinn
Comment by Harry P. Ness —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
We get it, you are just another humorless lefty. Your politics are far more important to you than facts, logic, or gosh, fun could ever be.
You do understand that Mark Steyn uses humor, parody, and sarcasm, don’t you?
We don’t come here to laugh with you, we come here to laugh at you.
Comment by REALMAN —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
I have read Mark Steyn for years and find him to be spot on in all cases and very intelligent. No he is not a PC pussy like the Jim guy who wrote this article. I do love reading all the other PC pussies posts since the writer strike is on and comedy material is lacking. Thank God Steyn left Canada – he knew the politics like their hockey teams were heading for the shitter. God bless George W Bush and America!
Comment by Michelle —
December 9, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Qwinn, sweety, Steyn said it. Can’t you all call him up and ask? Or don’t you listen to him? I do.
Harry, here’s laughing.
Comment by Harry P. Ness —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Actually, Mark Steyn was quoting John Edwards. You see, John was worried that Mitt’s hair was better than his.
Now Michelle, by your logic, it’s up to you to prove that I’m wrong.
(This is called sarcasm, a form of humor)
Comment by swassociates —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
I love this priceless line from the comments policy of this site:
So I guess calling someone a Bigot erroneously isn’t Bigoted. Otherwise Jim would be deleting himself.
Comment by tribehooker82 —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Henley:
Suffering from Dan Rather syndrome?
Comment by James of England —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
English teacher @ 468:
You claim that Steyn’s years of researching this issue mean that he is then unqualified to write a book on it, as he has already made up his mind.
You are aware that this would disqualify most leading experts in their fields from publishing?
Comment by ag —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
352 Michelle
Sorry to intercede into your lovely food fight, but I am glad to report that I readily agree that MS is NOT “a peace love and joy for all type”, Nobody is, even you.
Is it a fault?
However, he doesn’t have any prob. with any “group of people”, only with some IDEOLOGIES. As do I. Please, do not use bait and switch, if you are not a used car salesman.
Comment by Thoreau —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
So, after 600 comments, anything interesting?
Comment by Gekkobear —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
Well, from reading the comments, it looks like the mosquito quote is someone else, but the “breeding” lines…
Also quoted, and not Mark’s words. Can you people possibly try to crucify him for something he said, not something the Imam said?
Just for a change, some intellectual honesty? Try it on for size. Although I’m sure I’m asking for something that will never be done… asking for intellectual honesty from this crowd.
Comment by Joseph —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
Would the author be interested in perhaps having an open forum debate with Mark Steyn? I mean, so as to publicly prove what a moron Steyn is? Blogs get rather tired with the whole back and forth sans on the toes confrontation. I would recommend our man challenge Mr. Steyn to argumentation and settle this titfortat once and for all.
Comment by Henry94 —
December 9, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Josh
I am Irish and I can confirm that it was the RIRA and not the IRA who were responsible for the Omagh bomb. The IRA were responsible for the Enniskillen bomb, Bloody Friday, Birmingham, Guilford and thousands of other bombs which killed innocent people.
So does Steyn owe the IRA an apology in the way many of us insist Jim owes one to Steyn. I think not. He may have attributed a bomb to them incorrectly but there are so many bombs they admit to that it makes no difference to their reputation.
But Jim can’t point to a single example of racism from Steyn which would render his error as trivial.
Steyn’s mistake would be comparable if he attributed the Omagh bomb to the Salvation Army and then admitted that it wasn’t them but insisted they were still terrorists.
Comment by jocko —
December 9, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Wow! Hoisted on a fake petard!
Hey Henley, seems that perhaps you’d prefer”a bottle in front of me” than “a frontal lobotomy” about right now, eh?
Comment by BL@KBIRD —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
If this continues for awhile more then in a Helen of Troy way, Henley will be….
“The feces that launched a thousand quips…”
Comment by E. O'Neal —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
Douchebag, still looking for that quote that proves Steyn is a racist? Keep reading. At least you’re getting an education.
Comment by Alice —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Henley’s “update” reminds me of something the Queen of Hearts once said: “Verdict first, then the trial!” After his only evidence was tossed out, Henley kept his verdict and went off to look for new evidence. He won’t find any. Will he ever be man enough to withdraw his verdict?
Comment by Mitchell —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
“Douchebag, douche thyself.â€
I laughed so hard I almost cried. Hoohah, Steyn creamed this guy!! Hee, hee.
Comment by Jim Henley —
December 9, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
Wow. I am a horribly stupid moonbat. I am a brainwashed politically correct p ussy. Please help me–spit on me and insult me and then beat me– I deserve it!
Comment by Donna —
December 9, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
From the FT:
The US, the world’s largest economy, is below the OECD average in science and maths, and fails even to make the tables in reading because a misprint in the test confused too many students and invalidated the results.
The students were undoubtably taught by “english teacher” and other English teacher just like him/her. They saw capitalized words and correct grammar and didn’t know what to make of it. They suspected capitalization and commas might be a white racist plot.
Comment by Mark Steyn (not really) —
December 9, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
#610
Jim,
Pahtooie, I spit on you, like you asked. I can’t waste my time trying to think of insults that exceed the other 590 comments (I figure there are few people making comments that still believe it’s my fault that mullah Krekar is a bigot.)
BTW, if you had also apologized, I might have accepted. Think about that for your next comment.
Regards,
Mark
Comment by Dave Peters —
December 9, 2007 @ 7:21 pm
we should tax idiots and bloggers and idiot bloggers..Then you could pay twice..Really the islamization of Europe is really a good thing, Muslims aren’t terrorists or inherently violent and they respect all cultures and religions….MORON..
Comment by Dave Peters —
December 9, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
so “speech does things”? Really? SO I guess when these Islaminals keep threatening to murder the Pope, kill Cartoonists, bomb CHurchres and synogogues that’s “Bad”?
Somehow you seem to be pretending that Muslims are a peaceful people being unfairly picked on. Nothing could be further from the truth.
As to what upsets Muslims-everyone and everything upsets Muslims. Fuck’em and that jerk Allah and the child molester, thief, murderer Muhammed (look it up).
Comment by PA —
December 9, 2007 @ 7:32 pm
I stand by the rest of what I wrote.
Since the rest was content free, that’s not too hard.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
What I think is funniest about the whole thing is the notion that having a problem with Islam makes one a racist or even a bigot. The former is downright stupid, and while the latter may be true, what’s amazing is the people most likely to make the claim are the same ones that continually launch the most hateful stereotypical screeds imaginable about “theocrat” Christians. Apparently that’s not bigotry.
I’m sure they’ve come up with some pretzel logic to explain how being afraid of Islam taking over Europe is a bad, racist, bigoted thing, but constantly screeching about how Christians are going to enact a creeping theocracy any day now because abortion in the 9th month might get a restriction is simply the only rational response to Christian thuggery.
It’d be pretty hilarious, if the hypocrisy weren’t so nauseating.
Qwinn
Comment by Scott Thomas Beauchamp —
December 9, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Henley -
Nice job !
Franklin Foer tells me that TNR is very interested in having you do a cover story.
Call me.
Comment by Adrian Monk —
December 9, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
For God’s sake, Henley, stop comments on this thread! Are you a masochist as well as a total moron? Take down the site and stick with accounting. Maybe you’re good at that. This trashing you are taking on your own site is starting to be sad and pathetic. Do something man!
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 8:55 pm
Actually the fact that he’s leaving it up and taking his licks is the most admirable thing he’s got going right now. Cause that half-assed half-apology didn’t win much respect, that’s for sure.
Nah, for leaving it up and leaving comments open he does and has gotten kudos from several posters here, even the ones mocking him. If I haven’t stated that explicitly, well, let me do so now.
Qwinn
Comment by Richard Aubrey —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Henley didn’t make a mistake.
IMO, he knew exactly what he was doing.
Steyn’s arguments are so well-founded and so cleverly presented that liberals can’t deal with them.
The fallback position is to make Steyn out to be a racist bigot. After enough repetition, an argument from Steyn can be dismissed by saying, “Ffft. Racist bigot.”
That way, Steyn’s actual arguments, too tough for liberals, can be made irrelevant.
Not a mistake. A deliberate tactic, and the more vile for that.
Comment by MM —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Is there a fatwa anywhere in all of this? I’ve been trying to get one for years, to no avail.
Anyways, this is the typical liberal tactic. If they don’t like something, they just call it racist, bla bla bla, whether it’s true or not. Eventually after repeating it enough, uninformed idiots in our society take it as fact. There’s an old saying that goes something like this: take a handful of crap and throw it against a wall to see what sticks. That is exactly what this blogger has done. Unfortunately, he’s been caught and called out on it.
Do you hear that noise??? That’s the credibility of this site sinking like the Titanic.
Comment by Qwinn —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Since english teacher was looking for the source of Steyn’s statistics so adamantly, here’s a bit of data that Steyn -didn’t- include in his book:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=500087
But remember, kids, it’s the creeping theocracy of those Christianists who hold to the totally illogical position that an infant five minutes before delivery has the same human rights as an infant five minutes after delivery who represent the real danger in the world.
Any concern about those 36% homicidal muslims is pure bigotry. Get your eyes back on the Christinist theocracy ball.
Qwinn
Comment by Ben Dover —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
I think Jim Henly is a racist. Look at what he wrote: “Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes”. I am offended for the entire Muslim race.
Comment by lemonfemale —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:48 pm
So in your post about Mark Steyn you retract the only proof you offer yet you stand by your conclusion? You need to offer other proof, if such there be. Otherwise you are like Dan Rather talking about “the thrust of the story”-
(his reply to the proof that Bush’s alleged National Guard records were actually forgeries created using Windows.)
Comment by Call —
December 9, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
Something…something…words….words…..Muslims!….Mosquitos!….STEYN=RACIST!…..something….something….
Comment by hutchrun —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
Mmmm seems to me stone throwers like Henley and his ilk need to face mecca 5 times a day to regain strength after all that.
Comment by nunya —
December 9, 2007 @ 10:55 pm
“I stand by the rest of what I wrote. ”
You retracted your mis-cited quote. Other than that your posting is a lot of name calling. Nothing of substance. Meaningless. Drivel. Typical liberal pap in so many words.
It takes a brave man to stand up for his meaningless name-calling.
Comment by chachi —
December 9, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
Mr. Henley: Most bone-heads don’t advertise the fact. You sir, permanently have a neon sign above your name with balloon-carrying clowns directing people’s attention to it. Well done.
Comment by Jim Henley —
December 10, 2007 @ 12:14 am
Note: I’ve now written the follow-up piece. See also the note at the top of this one. We’ve had 628 comments worth of fun here, and it looks like people have said pretty much what they have to say about it. Comments are open at the new item. They’re closed here now.