(Addendum) Dennis Prager: Neocon Sexologist and Marriage Counselor Opines at Clown Hall
By Mona
A man whose wife frequently denies him sex will first be hurt, then sad, then angry, then quiet. And most men will never tell their wives why they have become quiet and distant. They are afraid to tell their wives. They are often made to feel ashamed of their male sexual nature, and they are humiliated (indeed emasculated) by feeling that they are reduced to having to beg for sex.
When first told this about men, women generally react in one or more of five ways:
1. You have to be kidding. That certainly isnt [sic]Â my way of knowing if he loves me. There have to be deeper ways than sex for me to show my husband that I love him.
2. If this is true, men really are animals.
3. Not my man. He knows I love him by the kind and loving way I treat him.
4. You have it backwards. If he truly loved me, he wouldnt [sic] expect sex when Im [sic]Â not in the mood.
5. I know this and thats why I rarely say no to sex.
Lets deal with each of these responses.
And then Dennis does, uh, “deal with” them. For entertainment value alone, read the whole thing.
Comment by Timothy3 —
December 23, 2008 @ 10:07 pm
I remember this guy from the time I lived in L.A.
Isn’t he the same one who has “argued” that Islam doesn’t have a shared role with Judaism/Christianity in America’s foundational history? I think he is.
Comment by Paul Daniel Ash —
December 23, 2008 @ 10:28 pm
In Part II, I will explain in detail why mood should play little or no role in a womans determining whether she has sex with her husband.
Jeebus Effin Cripes. Can I get a free restraining order with that?
Comment by Mona —
December 23, 2008 @ 10:48 pm
My dear PDA, we must let the cretin speak/babble/scribble. We are like that; they are not. But I know you know that, and are merely being facetious.
Comment by sysprog —
December 23, 2008 @ 10:49 pm
Dennis Prager should read his Talmud.
. . . or, if that’s too much trouble, then at least read the FAQ:
Comment by Captain USA —
December 23, 2008 @ 10:52 pm
Holy crap!
Comment by Captain USA —
December 23, 2008 @ 10:58 pm
Marriage advice for the ladies from a man who’s been divorced twice!
Comment by Mona —
December 23, 2008 @ 11:07 pm
You know, I guess some women do not like sex — I’m not going into that any further, or it would be TMI.
But I would further guess if they do not, it has a lot to do w/ partners/spouses like the sex-expert, Mr. Prager. (Do it whether you are “in the mood”, i.e., want to, indeed.) And sometimes, and not that rarely, men are not in the mood, ahem, Mr. Prager.
Comment by Joshua Holmes —
December 24, 2008 @ 1:11 am
Mona’s got a point. I remember the last time I wasn’t really in the mood: June 18, 2005.
Comment by Jennifer —
December 24, 2008 @ 1:14 am
Methinks Mr. Prager has achieved Jean Teasdalian levels of unintentional self-revelation there.
I wonder, does it work in reverse? If a wife’s in the mood and the husband isn’t, does Prager think the guy should make a concerted effort to rise to the occasion anyway?
I vaguely recall reading some old Prager columns which made me think “Okay, I disagree with this guy, but I can respect his opinions,” but I really think he went around the bend a few years ago. He had something like a ten-part series of columns with some title like “Why Liberals are responsible for everything bad.”
Comment by Mona —
December 24, 2008 @ 1:24 am
Not being Jewish, I’ll let the totally smart sysprog’s comment cover the Talmud aspect.
Comment by timothy3 —
December 24, 2008 @ 4:33 am
The Talmud specifies both the quantity and quality of sex that a man must give his wife.
I dig that part, sysprog.
Good Luck, Dennis!
Comment by Barbara O'Brien —
December 24, 2008 @ 9:26 am
Methinks Mr. Prager has achieved Jean Teasdalian levels of unintentional self-revelation there.
It’s like he’s prancing around in Times Square and doesn’t notice that he’s nude. He belongs in a bell jar in the Dysfunctional Personality Type Hall of Fame.
Comment by dhex —
December 24, 2008 @ 11:52 am
i can’t help but feel his advice to unmarried women would be different even if all the other variables are the same.
weird weird weird.
“Compared to most womens sexual nature, mens sexual nature is far closer to that of animals. So what? That is the way he is made. Blame God and nature. Telling your husband to control it is a fine idea. But he already does. Every man who is sexually faithful to his wife already engages in daily heroic self-control”
whooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
did he take the blue pill or the red one?
Comment by Mark —
December 24, 2008 @ 11:58 am
I think a while back (a good year ago, at least), you had a post about how Townhall was the perfect go-to site for blogpost inspiration on slow newsdays. I think this pretty well proves that rule.
Comment by Hypatia —
December 24, 2008 @ 12:25 pm
my take: if the husband is “in the mood” and has at least one functioning hand, then he is in total control. commence beating off!
Comment by joe from Lowell —
December 24, 2008 @ 12:31 pm
In Part II, I will explain in detail why mood should play little or no role in a woman’s determining whether she has sex with her husband.
Because nobody will fuck you, Dr. Prager?
Comment by LizardBreath —
December 24, 2008 @ 12:58 pm
The best thing about the Talmudic requirement is, IIRC, that it depends on the profession of the man. Camel drivers only have to come across once a week or so, but a rabbi or other scholar (which I assume covers most modern desk workers) is on the hook for sex nightly if his wife so desires. I found this hysterical when I encountered it in college.
Comment by CJColucci —
December 24, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
I’ve sucked it up — no pun intended –on a few occasions when I really would have preferred to catch some extra sleep (you won’t catch me telling how much, or how little), and I’m sure my wife has done the same now and then for me. That’s just part of the compromise that is marriage. Unlike Prager, I don’t extrapolate from that a right to sex, mostly, on demand.
But we’re ignoring the real issue: what does the Koran command?
Comment by Thoreau —
December 24, 2008 @ 4:01 pm
If this is his idea of healthy heterosexual marriage, wouldn’t gay marriage be an improvement?
Comment by Mona —
December 24, 2008 @ 7:28 pm
Thoreau: Are you telling us that you do not “engage in daily, heroic self-control,” by not schtupping every co-ed in your class, before you can make it home to your wife!?
I never thought of you as an “animal” before, and maybe Mrs. Thoreau has not either, but Prager the Wise describes your days (as for all male humans) as sheer, animalistic torture! Do you guys eat dinner first, or do you have to throw the missus on the floor (after you race home from work) to relieve the struggle, before dining?
Comment by John O —
December 24, 2008 @ 7:52 pm
There are only two explanations for this “column.”
One, he’s trolling for hits from enraged Pandagonianish feminists, for FSM knows what.
The only other one I can think of is, He. Is. Insane.
Comment by Mona —
December 24, 2008 @ 8:15 pm
John O:
I’m not a feminist in the Pandagon fashion, but I doubt Prager even knows who/what Pandagon is. He is just, as your second surmise puts it, insane.
Comment by Gary Farber —
December 24, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
“One, he’s trolling for hits from enraged Pandagonianish feminists, for FSM knows what.”
Seriously, I think it’s the reverse: he has a widely distributed column and radio venue, appalling as that is. My guess, which I have high confidence in, is that he figures that statistics being what they are, he’s looking to find one of those very rare women who falls for/agrees with this shit.
See, also, Gor fandom.
Comment by John O —
December 24, 2008 @ 11:11 pm
Yeah, I’m not a feminist in the Pandagon fashion, either, but boy, try posting a dissenting opinion out there.
My problem, as far as they are concerned, is that I think men and women are different, fundamentally, but should not be treated that way under the law.
Scandalous!
For the record, I love Amanda and Jesse just a whole bunch. I appreciate the passion and the mostly sane, always well-written arguments.
Jesse, being a man *smirk* has never gotten my goat, though. It’s only the lovely Amanda that trips my triggers. She’s a gem.
Comment by Barry —
December 25, 2008 @ 10:10 am
Gary Farber —
“See, also, Gor fandom. ”
I try not to.
Comment by lidia taveras —
January 1, 2009 @ 6:38 pm
i’m 27 years old, and i had alot of partners well i should try i tryed basically everything and the only problem i have is that i still don’t know what it feels like to climax or even a orgasm… i wonder why? i know there’s alot of possibilities but i honestly feel that is either my mind or my hormones… and the funny thing is that when i masturbate i climax without no problem…the problem becomes when i share a sexual encounter with someone..
i need help understanding why is this happening to me since i’m so young.
Comment by Court McAllister —
January 5, 2009 @ 1:36 am
CJColucci (comment 18) brings up an interesting and very important point. Any successful relationship (marriage or otherwise) is about real give and take…and of course that includes sacrifices with regard to being intimate!