Ha ha hah, bless your soul! You really think you’re in control?
By Thoreau
The 9/12 marchers are crazy. Seriously. Your average Republican voter is certainly not crazy, but the institution believes that playing to the crazies is a good idea.
How to respond? Reading liberal/progressive/whatever-term-those-people-prefer commentary,the rhetoric toward the right is a bit more confident, a bit less willing to tip-toe around crazies and say “If we just explain to them that the GOP is not on their side economically, we can still win their votes.” And on multiple levels I think that’s largely a good idea:
1) Starting with the stances I’ve staked out on this blog, there comes a time when you have to stop saying “Well, I appreciate your spirited argument, but I must respectfully dissent on a few points, while thanking you for this lovely discussion!” and must start saying “I’m through debating this, that shit is just plain wrong!” We can debate exactly where to draw that line, and certainly we don’t want to take that hard line too often, but once the topic on the table is, say, torture, or the theory that Obama is a Muslim Nazi from Kenya sent here to build a socialist state, maybe it’s time to stop playing nice.
If liberals are through playing nice even with the worst of the worst, so much the better.
2) For their own sake, Democrats can’t act like the guy who says “Please can I have it back?” in the whiniest voice possible after his lunch money has been stolen. They had that reputation for decades. Yes, there have always been loud and proud liberals, but I’ve spent most of my adult life trying to figure out what the Democratic Party really stands for. The Democrats, as a party, have been much less confident than Republicans.
I think it has something to do with lingering kulturkampf from 1968**, bad advice from Bob Shrum, and a desire to disprove bad stereotypes about liberals (which merely results in living up to another stereotype) but I’m not sure.
3) Purely from a policy standpoint, for whatever reason the Congressional Democrats as an institution (I’m mostly pointing to leadership, not good rank and file Democrats) played way too nice with Republicans on war and civil liberties in 2001-2008. Yes, I realize that in the situation some compromises were inevitable, and we can debate precisely which ones some other time, but somewhere along the line things clearly took a wrong turn.
If “no more Mr. Nice Guy for the crazies” translates into better policy, great!
However, having said all that, I have a fear:
Pride cometh before a fall. While playing to a “center” defined by Republican spin doctors never helped Democrats much, writing off the crazies can quickly morph into a kulturkampf of its own, leading to the writing-off of large regional or ideological groups that are larger than just the crazies. That is dangerous.
Then again, there’s another scenario:
If the Democrats don’t merely write the wingnuts out of their own political calculations, but actually somehow make the point that the wingnuts are, you know, nuts, the Republicans may find that the only way to fashion a winning coalition that draws in some moderates is to also write the wingnuts out of their calculations as well. In that case, we get a Republican party that is….something other than what it is right now. And that would be good for the long-term health of the country.
The reasons why I discount this long-term scenario are:
1) The scenario in which the Republicans can’t even get a few moderates is also a scenario in which the Democrats get all of the moderates, and I just don’t see any party growing that big. It would be an awkward coalition for the Democrats to manage.
2) The wingnuts still need somewhere to go, and the Republicans might as well toss them a few bones to keep their numbers in the coalition. As long as they are in the tent, there is the constant danger that they will claw their way back from marginal status to a dominant role in the party.
3) Even if marginalizing the wingnuts plays to the long-term interests of the Republican party as an institution, playing to the wing-nuts plays to the short-term interests of lots of people, including elected officials from plenty of districts, talk show hosts who cash in by pandering to them, and firebrand pundits who sell books to them and cash in on the lecture circuit.*** And, to get even more Machiavellian, to whatever extent the parties’ shadier operatives play reverse psychology and meddle in the opposing team’s ranks, the Democrats certainly have no incentive to drive the wingnuts far enough from polite society for the Republicans to lose that unseemly anchor around their necks.
So, I suspect that the wingnuts will be with us for a long time to come. As Greenwald says, they’ve already been with us for a while, why expect anything different all of a sudden?
*Post title explained here.
**My greatest fear is that 30 years from now young voters will be scratching their heads and wondering why all these old politicians are still talking about 9/11 and trying to prove that they aren’t stuck in a 9/10 mindset.
***I’ve sometimes thought about doing an experiment where I announce that I’ve had a conversion experience, write a creationist book where I use my authority as a Ph.D. in physics to argue that evolution violates the laws of thermodynamics, and see how it works. Then I reveal that it was all a game. However, I suspect that in the ecosystem of creationists there are other fierce predators who would resent a n00b trying to compete for cash on the lecture circuit, and I’d probably lose the game and my credibility.

Comment by y81 —
September 13, 2009 @ 2:04 pm
I hope you and Maxine Waters have a good time together, you bastions of sanity and good sense.
Comment by joe from Lowell —
September 13, 2009 @ 2:13 pm
Death panels. Killing grandma because she’s not productive enough. Doctors and assassins of the state. Hitler comparisons. Manchurian candidates. Happy crowds as brownshirts.
When did the Dead Kennedys take over the Republican Party?
Comment by Thoreau —
September 13, 2009 @ 2:42 pm
Shit, I might have to consider voting GOP after all!
Comment by Moe Blues —
September 13, 2009 @ 3:58 pm
I only wish the Democrats would wise up and dismiss the lunatics. Sadly, we’re now at a place where the wingnuts make a demand, and Obama and the Democrats rush to capitulate.
Living wills = Death Panels!!!11! Okay, we’ll take that out because a few of you are upset.
The plan lets illegal immigrants get benefits!!11!!! No, it doesn’t. But we’ll rewrite so it doesn’t even more.
The public option is socialism!!! We’ll have to strip that out, too. It’s not that important that everyone have access to healthcare if that upsets Glenn Beck viewers.
And so on. If you look up spineless in the dictionary, there’s a generic Democrat being used as the primary illustration for the definition.
Comment by Robert Hutchinson —
September 13, 2009 @ 4:49 pm
I think I spotted about two incisive signs in that whole gallery. I’m amazed that the people carrying them didn’t get run off.
Comment by dhex —
September 13, 2009 @ 10:23 pm
i liked “reduce your gov’t footprint” one i saw, but expecting polish from the diy set is generally going to lead to disappointment. adding loony axes to grind is just icing on a cake made of dirt.
Comment by Seward —
September 14, 2009 @ 11:05 am
dhex,
The “To Serve Man” sign was cool too. Partly of course because it plays off one of my favorite episodes of “The Twlight Zone.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_%28The_Twilight_Zone%29
Comment by John Thacker —
September 14, 2009 @ 11:08 am
Awesome. So you concede the argument that the antiwar protesters were all seriously crazy and radical socialists, because ANSWER was there and helped run them? Or, and that they were all Nazis and racists and hated homosexuals, because the GodHatesFags crew and the LaRouchies, and Hezbollah supporters, and even the American Nazi Party managed to infiltrate the marches?
Every large protest attracts at least some number of crazies; this march and the antiwar protests were no different.
Comment by Seward —
September 14, 2009 @ 11:09 am
My greatest fear is that 30 years from now young voters will be scratching their heads and wondering why all these old politicians are still talking about 9/11 and trying to prove that they aren’t stuck in a 9/10 mindset.
Thirty years from now elected officials will be arguing over whether their service in Iraq or Afghanistan was more patriotic.
Comment by JP —
September 14, 2009 @ 12:09 pm
We can debate exactly where to draw that line…
–… For example, staking out an informed, thoughtful position on the Iraq war five years down the line with moderate, temperate, felicitous wordsmithery like “f*ck the remaining hawks.”
Comment by Seward —
September 14, 2009 @ 3:58 pm
Anrold Kling on Sept. 12th, etc.:
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/09/tea_and_sympath.html
Hat tip: Tyler Cowen
Comment by joe from Lowell —
September 14, 2009 @ 5:27 pm
Kling reads like a David Brooks column, about how noble the little people are.
Comment by joe from Lowell —
September 14, 2009 @ 5:29 pm
This was “small town white America” making its “last stand.”
But he didn’t notice any racism.
Comment by Seward —
September 14, 2009 @ 7:52 pm
joe from Lowell,
To quote Kling:
Do they fit the stereotype of being white, small-town, uneducated racists? Not much racism, but otherwise I would say they fit the stereotype enough to make me skeptical that this is an important political movement.
He did notice some racism, “not much,” but some.
I also don’t think he is arguing that these folks are “noble” either.
Of course, as he says, he was only there fifteen minutes.
Comment by Jim Henley —
September 15, 2009 @ 11:57 am
Did we not get an influx of obnoxious McMegan commenters after the link? I’m obscurely disappointed. Mona! Insult LGF again! It’s getting too quiet around here.
Comment by JP —
September 15, 2009 @ 7:50 pm
I’m obscurely disappointed.
–Cheer up. I heard Joe Wilson yelled something
Comment by joe from Lowell —
September 15, 2009 @ 9:43 pm
Seward,
Why is white America making a stand?
Have you ever made a stand for anything with the word “white” in it?